Mr Logic Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 The statement doesn't really tie in with the rather more optimistic noises that Rafa was making towards the end of last season, and the apparent position of the club of hoping till the last minute that Rafa would sign. There's a comment about the takeover in there, which indicates to me that Rafa was putting things on hold in case that went ahead and he had the chance to work with a different owner who would loosen the purse strings. As for being offered a contract on the same money with less control over transfers, I suspect that the situation was that Rafa had the choice between a long contract with more control, or a short-term rolling contract with less control, if he didn't want to commit at that point. The club have made it clear that they don't want to spend large transfer fees for a manager who could quit any moment, and be left with players that the new man didn't want. This also explains the curious impasse over Joelinton, where Rafa seems to have taken the position that he quite liked the player, but not at that price. The club would only spend that sort of money for a manager with a long-term commitment, but Rafa wanted to see what developed in other areas. So we had a complete impasse until the club had to take action in order to prepare for the new season. People can still criticise the club for unnecessary penny-pinching if that's how they see it, but I think Rafa's behaviour was a little more complicated than his statement indicates. You need to visit a Doctor mate, some tranquilisers could be in order. Ask him if he's got Ketamine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Was up home at the weekend and speaking to my brother. He'd been a kinda Ashley apologist before, a few years ago, but that had changed and he'd become more critical. But now he seems to be back. "Having Benitez has increased everybody's expectations. If we hadn't had Benitez before, no one would be complaining about Bruce now". "He went to China for money" etc etc etc. All I'm trying to do is lay out facts as to why Benitez had this clubs and it's fans interests at heart and he was only wanting to be a manager in practice and not just in name. "I just want to support Newcastle United" he said. "So do I!" was my response. What can you say to that, though. I mean I get it, his viewpoint, but not wanting to be harsh, he doesn't get mine. Or want to. He was mocking toward my stance that I was refusing to pay attention or be involved. Didn't want to watch the match. Where as him, he wants to watch the fucking match. He wants us to win. And for him that means continuing to support them. It's almost like Brexit, man. "If I made so much money from my shops and brands I wouldn't care much about Newcastle either" was one of the more strange defences of Ashley. "We've just spent x amount". 'Id bet you'd want to join the sad losers marching from Sports Direct to the Stadium boycotting." ...I could go on. I can't remember them all but you could offer suggestions based on the things you've heard before and you'd not be far off what he gave verbatim. Sad, man. He's as big a fan as I am. After all these years you'd think it would be easy for people to see by now. You'd think surely everyone would now be united in what needed to be done and who's fault everything was. I heard something in the last week, can't remember where. "Newcastle are now in their 3rd Premier League season". 3 years out of the Championship. Like that's an achievement. That's what's been managed to be be the narrative for our club. And our own fans now peddle it. Fucking grim. Don't mean to be harsh or single out my brother, just someone who I know is a lifelong, scream and shout and talk nothing else, Newcastle fan. Most interaction I've had with one of them who is of the opposite opinion to me. Especially face to face and over a couple of days. Really hit home. And to think of the countless others who would say the same. Its exactly like Brexit, and everything else. I'll hit the horrible figure of 60 next year and up to my 20th I can't say I paid too much attention to debates on any kind of subject. But from 21 yrs on I noticed more and more over the years. The world has never been so divided in my lifetime as it is today, or perhaps it always was. The only difference is the prevelance of social media (all media really) and how easy it is to disseminate points of view. Both accurate and inaccurate. If you don't pay attention it is easy to start believing the inaccurate stuff. Take Bruce's comments on signing for Sunderland and contrast with alleged comments on signing for Newcastle. They are at total odds with each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fratricide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 The gym is like one of those on-site gyms you'd find at a Caravan Park. It is basic. Maybe 30x20 foot, with the space in the middle used for any physio shit, like balance balls. The indoor pitch has been waiting to be knocked down and replaced for at least 4 years now. The idea was to build a two level purpose built building, not just a tent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 From Crouch's book: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Mint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 story has sent me from neutral to hate when it comes to the lanky prick tbqh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Crouch is alright Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Crouch is alright I've got his book to read on my hols Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 From Crouch's book: He goes into more detail about the book on his podcast, I think. Edit: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/46373231&ved=2ahUKEwiwy5LCo4PkAhUIDewKHS9dCJIQjjgwBXoECAEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2kR1BVFS8TuYjztKCZU3tQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Just watched this on YouTube. Napoli's Koulibaly - "Is it not normal to be black in this world?" | The Journey | TPT Global Rafa story at 5:50 Sad from 11:30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Crouch is alright He’s class. Speaks quite well of Rafa on his podcast but is clear that he’d rather have had more freedom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Read his book on holiday, it's a great read, very funny. Comes across as a really down to earth bloke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Don't think all of Charnley's quotes in response to Rafa have been posted? https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11785249/newcastles-lee-charnley-hits-back-at-rafael-benitez-claims What we have said is it is about priorities. There is a pot of money. Where is the greater need? At this time it's on the field. It's not unreasonable, the pot of money can only go so far. You go and spend it on the training ground, it means there is less to spend on the team. Spend it on the academy, there is less to spend on the team; spend too much on wages, there's less to spend on the team. That doesn't mean we don't spend in all those areas, because we do, but our view has been at this point in time, the priority is what goes on to the field. Does it mean at some point in time we would like to update the training ground? Absolutely, yes. Our pitches are very good, our gym is perfectly adequate and functional. Do we have a swimming pool or water facilities? No. Would we like to have it at some stage? Absolutely. The absolute gall of this little flid acting high and mighty about player investment after over a decade of underspending and one summer just gone when our net spend was about a par for once (and still only about 1/5 of our turnover). Stop trying to argue with Rafa about football you tit, you're making yourself look really fucking stupid. "Perfectly adequate" ffs :lol: £30m net spend this summer leaves £90m from just the TV Money alone to be spent on the academy and training ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Don't think all of Charnley's quotes in response to Rafa have been posted? https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11785249/newcastles-lee-charnley-hits-back-at-rafael-benitez-claims What we have said is it is about priorities. There is a pot of money. Where is the greater need? At this time it's on the field. It's not unreasonable, the pot of money can only go so far. You go and spend it on the training ground, it means there is less to spend on the team. Spend it on the academy, there is less to spend on the team; spend too much on wages, there's less to spend on the team. That doesn't mean we don't spend in all those areas, because we do, but our view has been at this point in time, the priority is what goes on to the field. Does it mean at some point in time we would like to update the training ground? Absolutely, yes. Our pitches are very good, our gym is perfectly adequate and functional. Do we have a swimming pool or water facilities? No. Would we like to have it at some stage? Absolutely. The absolute gall of this little flid acting high and mighty about player investment after over a decade of underspending and one summer just gone when our net spend was about a par for once (and still only about 1/5 of our turnover). Stop trying to argue with Rafa about football you tit, you're making yourself look really fucking stupid. "Perfectly adequate" ffs :lol: £30m net spend this summer leaves £90m from just the TV Money alone to be spent on the academy and training ground. How does the club pay wages to players then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Don't think all of Charnley's quotes in response to Rafa have been posted? https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11785249/newcastles-lee-charnley-hits-back-at-rafael-benitez-claims What we have said is it is about priorities. There is a pot of money. Where is the greater need? At this time it's on the field. It's not unreasonable, the pot of money can only go so far. You go and spend it on the training ground, it means there is less to spend on the team. Spend it on the academy, there is less to spend on the team; spend too much on wages, there's less to spend on the team. That doesn't mean we don't spend in all those areas, because we do, but our view has been at this point in time, the priority is what goes on to the field. Does it mean at some point in time we would like to update the training ground? Absolutely, yes. Our pitches are very good, our gym is perfectly adequate and functional. Do we have a swimming pool or water facilities? No. Would we like to have it at some stage? Absolutely. The absolute gall of this little flid acting high and mighty about player investment after over a decade of underspending and one summer just gone when our net spend was about a par for once (and still only about 1/5 of our turnover). Stop trying to argue with Rafa about football you tit, you're making yourself look really fucking stupid. "Perfectly adequate" ffs :lol: £30m net spend this summer leaves £90m from just the TV Money alone to be spent on the academy and training ground. How does the club pay wages to players then? Well that's just the TV money. Our turnover 2 seasons ago was almost £180m. Spending £30m net then claiming we are skint with that kind of turnover means the sums don't add up and lies are being told again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Wonder if Charners got a mortgage to buy his first house or whether he saved up and bought it outright like he wants the club to do for capital investments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 "our gym is perfectly adequate and functional" ;D just what you want at Elite level sport Sports Direct FC summarised right there. Bare minimum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Don't think all of Charnley's quotes in response to Rafa have been posted? https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11785249/newcastles-lee-charnley-hits-back-at-rafael-benitez-claims What we have said is it is about priorities. There is a pot of money. Where is the greater need? At this time it's on the field. It's not unreasonable, the pot of money can only go so far. You go and spend it on the training ground, it means there is less to spend on the team. Spend it on the academy, there is less to spend on the team; spend too much on wages, there's less to spend on the team. That doesn't mean we don't spend in all those areas, because we do, but our view has been at this point in time, the priority is what goes on to the field. Does it mean at some point in time we would like to update the training ground? Absolutely, yes. Our pitches are very good, our gym is perfectly adequate and functional. Do we have a swimming pool or water facilities? No. Would we like to have it at some stage? Absolutely. The absolute gall of this little flid acting high and mighty about player investment after over a decade of underspending and one summer just gone when our net spend was about a par for once (and still only about 1/5 of our turnover). Stop trying to argue with Rafa about football you tit, you're making yourself look really fucking stupid. "Perfectly adequate" ffs :lol: £30m net spend this summer leaves £90m from just the TV Money alone to be spent on the academy and training ground. How does the club pay wages to players then? Howay nees, you know that I don't think the entire clubs budget can or should be spent on transfers and then the rest on training facilities. It was just to show that Charners is full of lies again when pleading poverty. Even adding in the (alleged) £93.5m in wages we paid in the 17/18 season, that still only just exceeds the TV money. There should be plenty of money available, and even if there isn't in the bank, do what literally every other company does and take out a loan to cover it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Cronky man, that's a helluva lot of speculation in favor of the people who are known to lie and deceive the fans. You can't just make up an imaginary contract offer to argue against what Rafa has said. I didn't make that up myself. In that interview with the Daily Mail, Ashley said that the Rafa camp were asking for a one year extension, but he wanted to sign Rafa long-term. Presumably the one year extension was to give Rafa time to see what was happening with a takeover. Bit late to the party but "presumably" :lol: You know full well what you're presuming is a load of shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Don't think all of Charnley's quotes in response to Rafa have been posted? https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11785249/newcastles-lee-charnley-hits-back-at-rafael-benitez-claims What we have said is it is about priorities. There is a pot of money. Where is the greater need? At this time it's on the field. It's not unreasonable, the pot of money can only go so far. You go and spend it on the training ground, it means there is less to spend on the team. Spend it on the academy, there is less to spend on the team; spend too much on wages, there's less to spend on the team. That doesn't mean we don't spend in all those areas, because we do, but our view has been at this point in time, the priority is what goes on to the field. Does it mean at some point in time we would like to update the training ground? Absolutely, yes. Our pitches are very good, our gym is perfectly adequate and functional. Do we have a swimming pool or water facilities? No. Would we like to have it at some stage? Absolutely. The absolute gall of this little flid acting high and mighty about player investment after over a decade of underspending and one summer just gone when our net spend was about a par for once (and still only about 1/5 of our turnover). Stop trying to argue with Rafa about football you tit, you're making yourself look really fucking stupid. This has got me man...we would love to, in an ideal world, when we can save enough money, build a swimming pool. Jesus fucking christ, local primary schools can afford fucking swimming pools...the level of ambition of Ashley's club ladies and gentleman...we can dream of having a swimming pool in 10 or 20 years time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 He shouldn’t be able to go anywhere in the north east safely TBH, certainly not SJP on a match day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Krafthwerk Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Could the players just not have a dip in the borehole thingy instead of poor old Mike spending his money on state of the art hydrotherapy equipment or new wheely bins and paddling pools for the players to have a dip in. I Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 His side lost yesterday to 2nd top at home 0-2 , think Demba Ba scored but I could be wrong. Rafas side had 37% possession at home . 10 shots 1 on target Rondon was line striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 His side lost yesterday to 2nd top at home 0-2 , think Demba Ba scored but I could be wrong. Rafas side had 37% possession at home . 10 shots 1 on target Rondon was line striker Well, for one of many reasons, With Rafa you can trust this will turn, whilst with Bruce..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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