Eddy Chibas Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Meh, I really don’t think the legality or complexity is causing this holdup anymore, not after what’s effectively been weeks and weeks of waiting. A deal has simply not been agreed, and my money based on his previous is on Ashley being an akward if not downright unwilling seller (unless he gets what he peceives as a gold plated offer). "Legality and complexity" (i.e. bickering over specific contract terms) is the majority of the work in any M&A project. The actual valuation/bickering over price stuff doesn't take as long as you'd think. I don’t doubt it. The point is never has it been reported that a price had been agreed in principle and we all know how Ashley operates. He’s not a rational, professional human being who can be trusted to behave in a predictable fashion. He’s previously stood up potential buyers after flying over to the middle east to meet them. I genuinely believe it’s more about how any deal makes him feel powerful and like he’s “won” than even strictly a magic number he has in mind as a minimum price he can agree to. People have focused mainly on there being an apparantly eager buyer who could transform the coub’s fortunes rather than on the man child at the other side of the table who’s just out to push people around at his behest like he always does. I for one wouldn’t be at all surprised if Ashley calls this off out of the blue if PCP don’t bend over backwards far enough to accomodate his idiocies. This rationale, and breakdown of Ashley, is why I don't pay much attention to posts & articles which adopt a conventional business wisdom approach when theorizing why a deal will be done at such-n-such a time etc etc (because it makes the most business sense for MA, as a seller). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Apparently some Dacia Duster just rocked up to SJP. It's happening, lads! What the hell is a Dacia Duster. Sounds like some sort of hoover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Worst takeover ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I wonder if Rafa knows any hitmen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Apparently some Dacia Duster just rocked up to SJP. It's happening, lads! What the hell is a Dacia Duster. Sounds like some sort of hoover. Some cheap ass car. Loan signing incoming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Apparently some Dacia Duster just rocked up to SJP. It's happening, lads! What the hell is a Dacia Duster. Sounds like some sort of hoover. James may loves this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stal Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Apparently some Dacia Duster just rocked up to SJP. It's happening, lads! What the hell is a Dacia Duster. Sounds like some sort of hoover. Some cheap ass car. Loan signing incoming Nah, it'll be the car to take Colback away. That would be a bin wagon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I wonder if Rafa knows any hitmen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I wonder if Rafa knows any hitmen. I know a group of Nature’s most adorable assassins who might be able to collectively solve ‘the problem’. Bagsy first bite! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I do think it's gone a bit too quiet now, especially with the January disaster about to unfold. I guess we would know if it was properly off, but it's getting tedious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 To be frank it got tedious months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Such an emotional rollercoaster this take over. Even though no facts are being presented, I swing from being relaxed and thinking it will come in and investment will happen in Jan, to thinking it won't come off, nothing spent and our PL status or Rafa as our manager is in jeopardy. This is exactly how I feel. Today I am in the camp of it not happening and Ashley once again just being a c***. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I do think it's gone a bit too quiet now, especially with the January disaster about to unfold. I guess we would know if it was properly off, but it's getting tedious. It's not off, but you have to question whether Ashley and PCP are ever going to agree on a valuation. If we get relegated, the price might drop by £50m, but then PCP might say now it's worth £50m less than that. I think Ashley will always set the price too high because he's a stubborn spoilt bastard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I don't think a deal is more likely if we go down. PCP can 'afford' to buy us now, they just don't seem to be able to agree a reasonable price. I don't see any reason that would change after relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I don't blame PCP for refusing to budge on price either. The cost of buying players is soaring by the month, and our squad is now one of the poorest in the division. It will cost a lot of money to get it up to where it needs to be, we've flogged all our decent players ages ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The latest rumour that Rafa has been told he has to sell players before buying suggests that this isn't happening any time soon. We can write off any funds from Ashley which would be paid off in the event of a takeover if that's true. Possible tactic by Ashley to put pressure on PCP to raise their offer perhaps? Might be the case. I'm sure PCP will want Rafa to get players that he needs to ensure we are able to stay up. Ashley may well be using this fact to get the offer he wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. I understand the argument but only a buffoon would come up with it in a serious negotiation: "I will offer you 5k for your car" "8k" "Maximum I can do is 6k. Take it or leave it" "8k or I'll fucking crash it against that brick wall" "..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. I understand the argument but only a buffoon would come up with it in a serious negotiation: "I will offer you 5k for your car" "8k" "Maximum I can do is 6k. Take it or leave it" "8k or I'll f***ing crash it against that brick wall" "..." The analogy is understandable but doesn't really apply. No/minimal investment in January is risky but it is not akin to smashing the car into the wall. If it is a mechanism to force PCP to terms it may be that investment follows if PCP walk away. At the moment the January window is potentially leverage for Ashley and this may well be a bit of brinksmanship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 It's also worth keeping in mind that each relegation has been overcome relatively easily. It has also given Ashley the opportunity to put his feet further and further under the table as he 'loans' the club money. If TV deals keep on increasing exponentially then there's not a massive rush for Ashley to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroP Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 the whole takeover thing is an elaborate hoax by ashley to distract fans from the fact that the fat clown wont be spending any money in January on desperately needed new players and to give himself an easy scapegoat should we go down. "it werent me, it were the unsettling buy out news" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 the whole takeover thing is an elaborate hoax by ashley to distract fans from the fact that the fat clown wont be spending any money in January on desperately needed new players and to give himself an easy scapegoat should we go down. "it werent me, it were the unsettling buy out news" Again, what do Staveley and PCP get by going along with this? Other then potentially ruining there brand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Not the car analogies again, we've done that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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