NG32 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The second half of the season is going to be painful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 After reading all the transcripts and tweets and well written article's and direct quotes I think I've worked out exactly what Ashley wants.....................a good hard punch in the Fucking face Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
polkaDot Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 PCP just need to sit tight until we are safe. They can then put in a revised bid without need of relegation clauses. Ashley has to sell then, otherwise he will lose Rafa (a key element in PCPs interest in the first place). He will loose a section of the home support going to games next season (numbers anyones guess). And he will own a club that could easily end up following in ******lands footsteps. If we manage to clamber to safety Ashley will almost certainly up his asking price. He will not give a fuck about losing Rafa, or what would be a small section of the support. He'll pocket as much of the premier league money as he can, bring in another yes-man manager and continue gambling on survival with as little investment as possible. he's ran out of yes men and gambling. If he doesn't sell he has killed the club and will never get anything like he can possibly get for it in the next 6 months ever again. It's plain to see to anyone looking that we have finally got a possible buyer who is open with their future plans for the club, and has only been held back from giving fatty his current price due to his tight arsed mis-management of the club, hence the need for clauses. If we are safe from relegation later in the season and PCP decide to match his offer, and he ups it to £400 million due to potential TV deals, who's to say that PCP won't say OK then, here you go? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Again that looks like a scarcity tactic. There's no reason to put that information out into the public domain, they are trying to create a time constraint. They could just wait & then quietly move on if Benitez leaves. Its the same reason sales have a time that counts down on their site, Ebay have the "only a few remaining" sign lit up etc You have to give a time constraint to add perceived value to the offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I just think its likely Ashley wants 300-350m. We've all known from the start he wanted money above 250m, this hasnt happened. Whats the basis for the "its all a game, he'll never sell" posts? He lied again about the lack of realistic communication, but thats a given. Still, clauses for 50m are not little footnotes in a negotiation. Staveley has not bid near this amount, without clauses. She is also stating she was going to spend 200m on transfers/the training ground. I mean realistically, if she really wants the club he may just think there is the option to give him more & simply spend less on transfers. Its basically just two sides who aren't budging waiting for the other side to back down. With the current television deals going insane all the time, 50m really shouldn't stop a negotiation of this size. I think they are playing games with eachother. 1: Staveleys pov was that she has leverage, due to the transfer window, Rafa giving the club value, the fans patience. So she expects him to feel pressure & time constraint for the deal. 2: Ashleys pov is that he's an absolute lunatic, who routinely loses/wins large sums of money at casinos gambling (based on multiple stories online) & is not the kind of person who will bow to any leverage of any kind. He doesn't care about logic, pressure etc he will expect to come through it all. So really she'll need to get closer to his valuation to persuade him to not gamble on us anymore. The media comments are just attempts at putting pressure on the other side again for me. Correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Loving all these "Let's have a look at what you could have won" Articles today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Again that looks like a scarcity tactic. There's no reason to put that information out into the public domain, they are trying to create a time constraint. They could just wait & then quietly move on if Benitez leaves. Its the same reason sales have a time that counts down on their site, Ebay have the "only a few remaining" sign lit up etc You have to give a time constraint to add perceived value to the offer. Well, even the Ebay countdown can't force people to pay whatever the seller dreams of in an ideal scenario. The seller has to sell to the highest bidder at the end of the countdown. Which is PCP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The next step in things that now wouldn't surprise me is Ashley sacking Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The next step in things that now wouldn't surprise me is Ashley sacking Rafa. He wouldn't fucking dare. Would he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The next step in things that now wouldn't surprise me is Ashley sacking Rafa. Might even be for the best at this point. There's be no going back after that you think rather than the boiled frog thing we have going on at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The next step in things that now wouldn't surprise me is Ashley sacking Rafa. He'd love to do that if he wasn't also a massive coward. He knows Rafa is the best chance of keeping us up, and he wouldn't want to risk sparking a fan backlash. He absolutely hates Rafa's guts though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Peak Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The next step in things that now wouldn't surprise me is Ashley sacking Rafa. He wouldn't fucking dare. Would he? At this point that sort of looking a gift horse in the mouth insanity is pretty much expected from him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I was watching a documentary about Robert Maxwell and how he was almost certainly a psychopath. There is a misconception that a psychopath is someone violent or crazy etc but in actual fact a psychopath can exist in other forms and use those traits to work themselves right to the top of the business world. The criteria applied to Robert Maxwell could well be applied to the media portrayal of Ashley. A recent survey in America found that 1 in 5 CEOs could be classed as a psychopath. A proportion comparable to prison populations. About 10 times as common as general population. So guess I am saying it’s not uncommon amongst highly successful business ‘sharks’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The next step in things that now wouldn't surprise me is Ashley sacking Rafa. He wouldn't fucking dare. Would he? If he genuinely wants to sell the club, he probably recognises the asset in Rafa. If he isn't interested in selling the club, I've no doubt he'd sack Rafa. He's expensive and dissents too much. The antithesis of Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I was watching a documentary about Robert Maxwell and how he was almost certainly a psychopath. There is a misconception that a psychopath is someone violent or crazy etc but in actual fact a psychopath can exist in other forms and use those traits to work themselves right to the top of the business world. The criteria applied to Robert Maxwell could well be applied to the media portrayal of Ashley. A recent survey in America found that 1 in 5 CEOs could be classed as a psychopath. A proportion comparable to prison populations. About 10 times as common as general population. So guess I am saying it’s not uncommon amongst highly successful business ‘sharks’. Sharks you say? Donald!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The next step in things that now wouldn't surprise me is Ashley sacking Rafa. That would basically be the end of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The next step in things that now wouldn't surprise me is Ashley sacking Rafa. He wouldn't f***ing dare. Would he? If he genuinely wants to sell the club, he probably recognises the asset in Rafa. If he isn't interested in selling the club, I've no doubt he'd sack Rafa. He's expensive and dissents too much. The antithesis of Pardew. Him still being here is a positive then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Ashley won't sack Rafa,he would do his best to drive him out the cloob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 PCP just need to sit tight until we are safe. They can then put in a revised bid without need of relegation clauses. Ashley has to sell then, otherwise he will lose Rafa (a key element in PCPs interest in the first place). He will loose a section of the home support going to games next season (numbers anyones guess). And he will own a club that could easily end up following in ******lands footsteps. If we manage to clamber to safety Ashley will almost certainly up his asking price. He will not give a f*** about losing Rafa, or what would be a small section of the support. He'll pocket as much of the premier league money as he can, bring in another yes-man manager and continue gambling on survival with as little investment as possible. he's ran out of yes men and gambling. If he doesn't sell he has killed the club and will never get anything like he can possibly get for it in the next 6 months ever again. It's plain to see to anyone looking that we have finally got a possible buyer who is open with their future plans for the club, and has only been held back from giving fatty his current price due to his tight arsed mis-management of the club, hence the need for clauses. If we are safe from relegation later in the season and PCP decide to match his offer, and he ups it to £400 million due to potential TV deals, who's to say that PCP won't say OK then, here you go? If that were the case the deal would've been done already. I thought Ashley would have realised that it was his best and last chance to get out, I though he was just trying to squeeze all he could out of PCP, knowing he'd have to sell before January or face potentially being completely stuck with us. His ego is clearly more important to him than what happens with the club, he probably feels that he was fucked over when he bought the club and he won't sell unless he feels he has fucked over the new owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 So we've finally got the right manager for this club, one that could very feasibly win us a trophy given time and resources, or even get us back in Europe. We have people wanting to buy the club who recognise this as a very crucial part of their vision. And we have Mike Ashley in the middle What an absolute cunt the man is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 It'a the ultimate Mike Ashley power play. After turning down the offer he'll have belted Goodbye Horses out his speakers and done a Buffalo Bill in the mirror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 They'll put in a very decent bid once our PL status is secured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Which will be rejected because the fat cunt has no interest in selling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 They'll put in a very decent bid once our PL status is secured. And he’ll want more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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