Charlies Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 It's more to do with Ashley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 So is this £350m figure legit? If somebody offers that he'll fuck off? Who knows? But it's probably not far from the truth, I think he'd happily take that if it was offered, but given we are probably going to be not too far from the relegation zone, then PCP will use that to drive the price down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Has there been anything more from Uncle Bingo?? He mentioned his mate was going to find out more about the bid last night but couldn't see any update from him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 So is this £350m figure legit? If somebody offers that he'll fuck off? Who knows? But it's probably not far from the truth, I think he'd happily take that if it was offered, but given we are probably going to be not too far from the relegation zone, then PCP will use that to drive the price down. I wouldn't think you would have much joy with using a possible (but unlikely) future event to drive down the price of a company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Good read from 365, F' all about the takeover really. http://www.football365.com/news/f365-says-newcastle-united-waiting-to-be-loved-again Is Daniel Storey a Newcastle fan / from the North East? Seen him write a few good things about us in the past and just noticed that the proceeds of his latest book go towards the Bobby Robson Foundation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 So is this £350m figure legit? If somebody offers that he'll fuck off? Who knows? But it's probably not far from the truth, I think he'd happily take that if it was offered, but given we are probably going to be not too far from the relegation zone, then PCP will use that to drive the price down. I wouldn't think you would have much joy with using a possible (but unlikely) future event to drive down the price of a company. Wouldn't be so sure of that, a company's value is based pretty much entirely on expected future income, so a possible relegation where a big chunk of that income would disappear will drive the price down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I thought a company's value was based almost entirely on current performance? I've been watching too much Dragon's Den. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 So is this £350m figure legit? If somebody offers that he'll fuck off? Who knows? But it's probably not far from the truth, I think he'd happily take that if it was offered, but given we are probably going to be not too far from the relegation zone, then PCP will use that to drive the price down. I wouldn't think you would have much joy with using a possible (but unlikely) future event to drive down the price of a company. In that case Ashley should probably consider spending big in the January transfer window if a price isn't agreed, because relegation is still a very real possibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I thought a company's value was based almost entirely on current performance? I've been watching too much Dragon's Den. There are probably a million different ways of valuing a company tbf, but that's how I remember it from the economy that I've studied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I thought a company's value was based almost entirely on current performance? I've been watching too much Dragon's Den. The value of anything and everything is based on what a buyer is willing to pay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Good read from 365, F' all about the takeover really. http://www.football365.com/news/f365-says-newcastle-united-waiting-to-be-loved-again Is Daniel Storey a Newcastle fan / from the North East? Seen him write a few good things about us in the past and just noticed that the proceeds of his latest book go towards the Bobby Robson Foundation. Forest fan IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I thought a company's value was based almost entirely on current performance? I've been watching too much Dragon's Den. The value of anything and everything is based on what a buyer is willing to pay. And the amount the buyer is willing to pay is usually based on current value, expected growth yadda yadda yadda. Very simplistic to throw that term around when talking about any businessman apart from MA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Has there been anything more from Uncle Bingo?? He mentioned his mate was going to find out more about the bid last night but couldn't see any update from him? I doubt there has been as I’ve messaged him (the source not Uncle Bingo!) and heard nothing back! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I thought a company's value was based almost entirely on current performance? I've been watching too much Dragon's Den. The value of anything and everything is based on what a buyer is willing to pay. This. I love Dragon’s Den btw. With a business as volotile as NUFC can be, there is almost 3 kinds of valuations. What is the club worth right now as a business, I.e. turnover, assets, profit etc. What is it worth going forward, new TV deals, possible CL footy etc. and general growth and what it is worth to someone who wants to own a premium football club. Plus what it could be worth if it got relegated or failed to miss out on say the CL etc. A football club is probably the hardest type of business to value because it’s depending on so many factors. Mix all them things together though and you probably get your true valuation. Me, I’d say 300m would be a very fair price for the club as it stands, but looking ahead, a 400m valuation wouldn’t be or shouldn’t be deemed stupid. Obvious valuation? Somewhere in the middle. 350m is what we will probably go for, with certain clauses and stipulations in place. If Ashley really does want out and a quick no strings attached sale, he’ll settle for 300m which gets him his money back and a huge profit. He will lose out on SD advertising and exposure and future growth estimates RE TV income etc. though which you also have to consider. As a businessman you can’t just say well the club is worth this and this is what you paid for it nd expect Ashley to sell up because to him, it’s worth more than say 300m. Either way whatever he has spent on buying it, he will always get back, but he will lose out on all the advertising and future stuff. When you think about it, it’s not a bad model to pump a few hundred million into because I think overal that money spend on purchase etc. is almost guaranteed. Money in the bank basically. He has done extremely well out of NUFC you have to say from his own financial point of view and that of his other company. Any new buyer, what you are buying, is a company that has an almost guaranteed income based on customers and huge potential growth in terms of additional revenues with sponsorship, TV money and other commercial stuff. That alone makes NUFC more than worth 350m which is what I’d be wanting if I was Ashley and if I were genuine about building NUFC up, would pay. To get to the top will of course cost huge money and there are no guuarantees but get it right and well, just look at Chelsea or Man City, mega clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Has there been anything more from Uncle Bingo?? He mentioned his mate was going to find out more about the bid last night but couldn't see any update from him? I doubt there has been as I’ve messaged him (the source not Uncle Bingo!) and heard nothing back! Hopefully he gets back with something positive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I thought a company's value was based almost entirely on current performance? I've been watching too much Dragon's Den. The value of anything and everything is based on what a buyer is willing to pay. This. I love Dragon’s Den btw. With a business as volotile as NUFC can be, there is almost 3 kinds of valuations. What is the club worth right now as a business, I.e. turnover, assets, profit etc. What is it worth going forward, new TV deals, possible CL footy etc. and general growth and what it is worth to someone who wants to own a premium football club. Plus what it could be worth if it got relegated or failed to miss out on say the CL etc. A football club is probably the hardest type of business to value because it’s depending on so many factors. Mix all them things together though and you probably get your true valuation. Me, I’d say 300m would be a very fair price for the club as it stands, but looking ahead, a 400m valuation wouldn’t be or shouldn’t be deemed stupid. Obvious valuation? Somewhere in the middle. 350m is what we will probably go for, with certain clauses and stipulations in place. If Ashley really does want out and a quick no strings attached sale, he’ll settle for 300m which gets him his money back and a huge profit. He will lose out on SD advertising and exposure and future growth estimates RE TV income etc. though which you also have to consider. As a businessman you can’t just say well the club is worth this and this is what you paid for it nd expect Ashley to sell up because to him, it’s worth more than say 300m. Either way whatever he has spent on buying it, he will always get back, but he will lose out on all the advertising and future stuff. When you think about it, it’s not a bad model to pump a few hundred million into because I think overal that money spend on purchase etc. is almost guaranteed. Money in the bank basically. He has done extremely well out of NUFC you have to say from his own financial point of view and that of his other company. Any new buyer, what you are buying, is a company that has an almost guaranteed income based on customers and huge potential growth in terms of additional revenues with sponsorship, TV money and other commercial stuff. That alone makes NUFC more than worth 350m which is what I’d be wanting if I was Ashley and if I were genuine about building NUFC up, would pay. To get to the top will of course cost huge money and there are no guuarantees but get it right and well, just look at Chelsea or Man City, mega clubs. Makes you wonder why they waste money on due diligence when you could have knocked something up on the value of the club in a paragraph :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 350m to get it done? Step up PCP, make it happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Will that £350m include the ridding of the ties between the club and the fat man's vile company? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Can we start a crowd funding page for the extra £50m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 £300 million up front then extra £30 million if we don't get relegated and then extra £20 million if we don't get done off the HMRC. see I should be looking after the bid man it would be all over by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Will that £350m include the ridding of the ties between the club and the fat man's vile company? I would assume so, it's a premium price and I imagine that detail would have been leaked by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 The PCP bid has been rejected by Ashley according to a report in the Times, it says he's holding out for £350m. I hope his fucking stomach explodes, then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I reckon it'll happen at 350m, based on f*** all, mainly hope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Pass a bucket around at the next home game. Just under a grand each if everybody chips in. I would probably cough up. That fucker has messed with my weekend enjoyment for too long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Will that £350m include the ridding of the ties between the club and the fat man's vile company? Of course, nobody's going to buy the club unless they have free reign to negotiate various deals to increase revenue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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