The World Cup Refereeing Thread - discuss the latest VARce here!

[Wullie]

Suspect we might need this thread.

[Paully]

[Dave]

So wasn't VAR supposed to be for correcting clear mistakes? That offside was a matter of inches. Are they saying that linesman made a massive mistake giving that one offside in real time? The majority of offside calls are loads easier than that, but is every single close decision going to be checked? Where do we draw the line, if a couple of inches justifies a review?

 

I heard someone say that the officials have been told to make decisions as though VAR isn't there, but how can anyone say that linesman won't be affected by such a tight decision being overturned and making him look daft? Next time he'll just keep his flag down, if it's offside it'll be overturned anyway, right? What if his flag causes the players to stop playing, how do you go back? Play to the whistle, right? So that just increases the pressure on the linesman to NOT flag.

 

Corners will be checked next, in fact it happened tonight. Disputed corners and throw-ins happen constantly. A quick or long throw-in can easily lead to a goalscoring situation, best check them too.

[sbnufc]

[joeyt]

They mentioned on the radio this morning that the VAR official has to wear his full referee kit because they can get as sweaty as refereeing a normal game

[Papavasiliou]

So wasn't VAR supposed to be for correcting clear mistakes? That offside was a matter of inches. Are they saying that linesman made a massive mistake giving that one offside in real time? The majority of offside calls are loads easier than that, but is every single close decision going to be checked? Where do we draw the line, if a couple of inches justifies a review?

 

I heard someone say that the officials have been told to make decisions as though VAR isn't there, but how can anyone say that linesman won't be affected by such a tight decision being overturned and making him look daft? Next time he'll just keep his flag down, if it's offside it'll be overturned anyway, right? What if his flag causes the players to stop playing, how do you go back? Play to the whistle, right? So that just increases the pressure on the linesman to NOT flag.

 

Corners will be checked next, in fact it happened tonight. Disputed corners and throw-ins happen constantly. A quick or long throw-in can easily lead to a goalscoring situation, best check them too.

 

 

I don't see how not getting an extremely tight decision right makes anyone look "Daft".

 

 

[joeyt]

[Nobody]

This clearly doesn't work, just scrap it now

[54]

This clearly doesn't work, just scrap it now

But it clearly does work though, based on that France penalty.

[Decky]

Perfect use of it today imo. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with the decision as that was the referee not VAR, but it was great that the ref had the chance to see it again and make a call.

[54]

One thing I would like to say is that this argument that VAR would ruin subjectivity in football is clearly not the case.

[Hanshithispantz]

You could never remove subjectivity as the most are not set in stone, it's the main reason why the whole idea is a load of shite (alongside how it removes some of the fun out of scoring goals due to the uncertainty as to whether or not it will stand)

[Nobody]

This clearly doesn't work, just scrap it now

But it clearly does work though, based on that France penalty.

Refs have been bottling decisions all game because they just rely on VAR.

Both blatant penalties, but the ref didn't have the balls to give either without VAR.

[M4]

Goal line tech, now there's something that is working a peach

[Nobody]

Goal line tech, now there's something that is working a peach

[Guest neesy111]

This clearly doesn't work, just scrap it now

But it clearly does work though, based on that France penalty.

Refs have been bottling decisions all game because they just rely on VAR.

Both blatant penalties, but the ref didn't have the balls to give either without VAR.

 

This.

 

I've got no idea whether the ref thought it wasn't a foul or not in the first place, no wonder why they aren't wanting comms to be broadcasted as it would show the onfield umpire up.

[Guest firetotheworks]

This clearly doesn't work, just scrap it now

But it clearly does work though, based on that France penalty.

It doesn't work as a crucial part of a spectator sport.

 

[Hanshithispantz]

And that's ultimately the most important thing. If it doesn't make the sport better to watch (and infact is a determent to it as a spectacle) then what's the point?

 

I personally don't even think that was a penalty at all but some people seem to think it is, so at the very best it's a debatable decision. So what exactly did VAR achieve today? At best a debatable decision is still a debatable decision only reversed.

 

I can see it being handy with things such as off the ball incidents which the referee misses, but it cannot be used in the way it was today. And they've had to change the offside rule to accommodate it too.

[sbnufc]

from the other thread

 

fifa rules

 

Direct free kick

 

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any

of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be

careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent

• trips or attempts to trip an opponent

• jumps at an opponent

• charges an opponent

• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent

• pushes an opponent

• tackles an opponent

 

A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any

of the following three offences:

• holds an opponent

• spits at an opponent

• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own

penalty area)

 

A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred

(see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

 

Penalty kick

A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by

a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball,

provided it is in play.

[Hanshithispantz]

I'm not sure how this supports your view that tackles should be removed from the game mind?

[Hanshithispantz]

Like you realise he didn't 'trip the opponent' don't you? He tackled him?

 

It's a massive part of the game.

 

EDIT: Obviously taking the piss like but that rule you've dragged up really doesn't support what you're saying in any way. Your argument for the penalty is that the 'trip' happened in a different stage of play to the contact with the ball.

[AY]

This clearly doesn't work, just scrap it now

But it clearly does work though, based on that France penalty.

Refs have been bottling decisions all game because they just rely on VAR.

Both blatant penalties, but the ref didn't have the balls to give either without VAR.

 

Umtiti handball was called by the assistand, not VAR I thought...

[sbnufc]

Like you realise he didn't 'trip the opponent' don't you? He tackled him?

 

It's a massive part of the game.

 

EDIT: Obviously taking the piss like but that rule you've dragged up really doesn't support what you're saying in any way. Your argument for the penalty is that the 'trip' happened in a different stage of play to the contact with the ball.

He didnt win the ball. The rule says a careless trip results in a foul. If you can't get all of the ball in the same sliding movement and actually win possession, it's careless and running the risk of tripping. That's what happened

[Guest firetotheworks]

from the other thread

 

fifa rules

 

Direct free kick

 

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any

of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be

careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent

• trips or attempts to trip an opponent

• jumps at an opponent

• charges an opponent

• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent

• pushes an opponent

• tackles an opponent

 

A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any

of the following three offences:

• holds an opponent

• spits at an opponent

• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own

penalty area)

 

A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred

(see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

 

Penalty kick

A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by

a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball,

provided it is in play.

From the other thread.

 

That would be fair enough if he'd tripped him. If that's tripping Greizmann then he should be constantly tripping over his own existence.

 

This is the problem mentioned earlier, it's just a given now that any contact is enough to impede a player and that going down when you don't need to is fine because 'there was contact'. It's the vindication everywhere, from refs, to players, to pundits, to fans. It's crept in to the point where cheating is not just acceptable across the board, but encouraged.

 

[sbnufc]

Replied in the other thread Might as well keep it all in here now

 

He got his achillies. You see on one replay the force was enough to lift the defenders leg up. Definitely enough imo, but obviously the argument about what actually is enough is and probably always will be a never ending one