r0cafella Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Zero said: I think most of the teams or scouts rate his defending ability as “very poor”. And to be honest his defending is really his major weakness - and he needs a solid defence system to cover him up. He is just like the CB version of Pirlo. He deserves a lot of credit for our outstanding season, I just want to point out that Botman probably deserves more. What on earth are you talking about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 2 hours ago, r0cafella said: What on earth are you talking about? Botman is the best performer among the whole defence line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Botman is best but schar is not a bad defender ffs although i do think he is a bit flakey compared to how he was first half of season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Zero said: Botman is the best performer among the whole defence line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Schar has been better than Botman defensively and Schar is far more exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 I know Botman is the shiny new toy, and has a much higher ceiling and will likely become better than Schar, but Schar as been the better CB this season. By a margin. Not that Botman has been bad, Schar has been exceptional. Gone unnoticed but he has been one of the best CBs in the league this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 I feel like I'm back in the "can't play in a back 4" era. And it isn't good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 He's a class performer, and yesterday was no exception, but he got done badly by Kane for their goal. He was a bit isolated mind, but still thought he shouldn't have got passed so easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 He should’ve just taken Kane out nearer the half-way line, but I guess we were going to win so less desperation and need to take a yellow card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Aye that was poor. Cost me a mega haul on FPL too. But he's often in that position 1v1 with an attacker. And deals with it 9 times out of 10. Botman isn't often in that position as Burn is close by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 I said botman was better but may be overcorrecting from seeing schar doing more sort of last ditchy stuff and so my mnd thinks botman probably sorting things out before gets there, but its just difficult they've both been brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Just now, Tiresias said: I said botman was better but may be overcorrecting from seeing schar doing more sort of last ditchy stuff and so my mnd thinks botman probably sorting things out before gets there, but its just difficult they've both been brilliant. Botman has made more mistakes and is far less exposed than Schar. Burn is usually close-by for Botman. Schar has also been a difference maker with the ball. Schar seems to be the leader of the pair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 All fair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: He should’ve just taken Kane out nearer the half-way line, but I guess we were going to win so less desperation and need to take a yellow card. He tried to bring him down in the box once he'd got past him which would've gotten him sent off if he'd succeeded, never mind a yellow! Don't take this the wrong way as I love him but he's not been his best defensively the past 3 games. He should have had more cover when he went to engage Kane for their goal but he still coould've done a lot better than he did 1 v 1. He's been dominating those encounters all season but Toney, Watkins and Kane have all done him in the last 3 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Ace said: If you’ve watched him over the years, he went down after playing a bad pass so make of that what you will He said post game that he came off with a slight hamstring issue that would be assessed on Monday. Hopefully nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Teams are targeting the space Trippier leaves in behind too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Teams are targeting the space Trippier leaves in behind too. Definitely but that's been the same all season and Schar's dealt with it fine. I think he needs to maintain a wider rest defence position than he has the past few games. Burn and Botman really have to move across as much as possible and be ready to cover when are building from the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) Trippier doesn't have the output he does without Schar. Schar is to the defence what Longstaff is to the midfield in that you'll definitely notice him when he's not there. For me, he's brilliant and I personally don't agree with any of the paper talk about 'buying a replacement for Schar who's getting old', he's got years left in him, he's never been about pace and I think he can be a maintstay at the back for us for a few more years yet. Edited April 25, 2023 by HawK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 His gray hair is getting more pronounced. Hes a silver fox in our box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Am loving the Schar-->Joelinton combo 😍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Aye that was poor. Cost me a mega haul on FPL too. But he's often in that position 1v1 with an attacker. And deals with it 9 times out of 10. Botman isn't often in that position as Burn is close by. I also think that Botman is instructed to be the more aggressive of the two CB's as he has the recovery pace that Schar doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 24 minutes ago, HawK said: Trippier doesn't have the output he does without Schar. Schar is to the defence what Longstaff is to the midfield in that you'll definitely notice him when he's not there. For me, he's brilliant and I personally don't agree with any of the paper talk about 'buying a replacement for Schar who's getting old', he's got years left in him, he's never been about pace and I think he can be a maintstay at the back for us for a few more years yet. Eventually we'll need some pace at CB and we really need someone better than Lascelles. IMO we have to buy someone that can realistically take Schar's place. A CL level team needs 3 first choice CB's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Lenny said: I also think that Botman is instructed to be the more aggressive of the two CB's as he has the recovery pace that Schar doesn't. I'd consider Schar the more aggressive player. He's more likely to follow the attacker deep into their own half like he did on Son for Isak's first goal. That was a good tactical bit by Howe. Also - I don't think Botman is significantly faster than Schar. Our entire backline is pretty slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Eventually we'll need some pace at CB and we really need someone better than Lascelles. IMO we have to buy someone that can realistically take Schar's place. A CL level team needs 3 first choice CB's. Agree on eventually - but I think the more immediate solution is a top-tier left back so Burn can move in the middle to provide cover there. I know being left-footed on the right isn't ideal, especially with Trippier up the pitch, so runners will go down the outside of him on his wrong foot, but I think this does more for the team in the short term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Young hungry promising and quick right side centre backs to deputise and eventually replace schar is 100% high priority imo along with defensive mid and left back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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