Mike Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 We the plaything of a family of maniacs yet then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Yimentov Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I've worked with quite a few Saudis over the last year or so and s*** ton of other Middle Easterners. It's true that a lot of them would like more freedom of the press and suchlike but there are a lot of things that they wouldn't want to change. Absolute gender equality, enforced by quotas, LGBT stuff, abolition of the death penalty... etc All of these things were implemented yesterday in the grand scheme of things. It is in my opinion both erroneous and arrogant of us to assume that today's liberal paradigm is the be all and all that every culture should aspire to. When you get deeper into, even things that we've been taught to hold sacred like freedom, equality and democracy can be argued against. I can tell you from the Iraqis that I work with that Saddam was very popular with a lot of people. Ditto in China. Xi is super popular. "Ah, but they're brainwashed. Not like us. We really know what is best." well they are kinda brainwashed, absolute dictatorships control the media and employs heavy censorship and in saudi arabias case arrest people who dare criticise the regime or how things are run First, I don't think our media is as free as people like to believe it is. As soon as Corbyn had a sniff at Israel his party were anti-semites. That's just one example. Secondly, authoritarian states are typically crime free and drug free and the people often have less to worry about in terms of housing and employment - even if it's shit. It mind seem like a banal and even impoverished existence to us but the countries function and people find things to make themselves happy. There's a trade off and it really just depends on the history and culture of the place, the temperament of people etc... I'm not defending big Kim and his labour camps but not every group of people needs or wants Western democratic (are we really?) liberalism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I've worked with quite a few Saudis over the last year or so and shit ton of other Middle Easterners. It's true that a lot of them would like more freedom of the press and suchlike but there are a lot of things that they wouldn't want to change. Absolute gender equality, enforced by quotas, LGBT stuff, abolition of the death penalty... etc All of these things were implemented yesterday in the grand scheme of things. It is in my opinion both erroneous and arrogant of us to assume that today's liberal paradigm is the be all and all that every culture should aspire to. When you get deeper into, even things that we've been taught to hold sacred like freedom, equality and democracy can be argued against. I can tell you from the Iraqis that I work with that Saddam was very popular with a lot of people. Ditto in China. Xi is super popular. "Ah, but they're brainwashed. Not like us. We really know what is best." well they are kinda brainwashed, absolute dictatorships control the media and employs heavy censorship and in saudi arabias case arrest people who dare criticise the regime or how things are run We had Corbyn and Johnson punishing dissenting voices, i know it's not murder or arrests but those two mad bastards got more than 20 million votes between. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I've worked with quite a few Saudis over the last year or so and shit ton of other Middle Easterners. It's true that a lot of them would like more freedom of the press and suchlike but there are a lot of things that they wouldn't want to change. Absolute gender equality, enforced by quotas, LGBT stuff, abolition of the death penalty... etc All of these things were implemented yesterday in the grand scheme of things. It is in my opinion both erroneous and arrogant of us to assume that today's liberal paradigm is the be all and all that every culture should aspire to. When you get deeper into, even things that we've been taught to hold sacred like freedom, equality and democracy can be argued against. I can tell you from the Iraqis that I work with that Saddam was very popular with a lot of people. Ditto in China. Xi is super popular. "Ah, but they're brainwashed. Not like us. We really know what is best." well they are kinda brainwashed, absolute dictatorships control the media and employs heavy censorship and in saudi arabias case arrest people who dare criticise the regime or how things are run Russia/Chelsea? Abramovich isn't literally the russian goverment so the comparison falls apart there though he has had strong links with it obviously no, not "literally" but it is very naive to suggest that the government didn't help him gain that wealth, or help hide how he got it. not disagreeing but he was hardly alone in that fact. Hell iirc it was speculated part of the reason he bought Chelsea was to have somewhere reasonably safe to get away to if Putin turned against him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 The Chinese are a bunch of shithouses when it comes to human rights but here in the north east we still drink their water. On this basis the fakeover is acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Its an interesting political and cultural debate but aren't were getting a little ahead of ourselves when we said we wouldn't. I wouldn't get excited about this and I certainly wouldn't worry about this unless something concrete happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Yet Ashley has been bleeding our club of money, it's spirit and draining the very reason we exist, but that's OK ? Do that to all or not at all you cunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Yimentov Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Money is everything. No way are the PL knocking back this kind of wealth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I would laugh my ass off if that came to pass since that would be the one thing that would fail that pathetic test, oh human rights who cares but dare to pirate our content we won't stand for that unforgivable crime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 There's no way the PL would reject Saudi money if this comes off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Our government is happy for us to sell weapons to these animals, but the PL knock back the takeover of a football club on morality grounds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 “Could” When you’re one of the most powerful and influential people walking the globe then I’m sure you can make shit happen. I wouldn’t envisage this to be much of a problem to these gentlemen tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Our government are happy for us to sell weapons to these animals, but the PL knock back the takeover of a football club on morality tv rights grounds fyp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 What about murdering journalists? Is that fine as well because its a different culture? Depends, what trophies are we going to win? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 If this comes off it really will be a PSG/Man City thing won’t it? It’s hardly like they’re in it to make money. If this ‘sportswashing’ term is correct then they’ll be looking to just to make the best club they possibly can to help their ‘image’, cost would hardly come into it. Or am I way off with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Fitting username. Fuck the haters, mate. You go for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 If this comes off it really will be a PSG/Man City thing won’t it? It’s hardly like they’re in it to make money. If this ‘sportswashing’ term is correct then they’ll be looking to just to make the best club they possibly can to help their ‘image’, cost would hardly come into it. Or am I way off with this. Cue someone saying they wouldn't want SJP to be morgue like Man City's atmosphere or feel hollow and soulless like Man City. We are already. If were going to have a non-existent atmosphere and feel plastic its best to be compensated by good quality football as opposed to the current silage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Would be nice if Ashley thought this could be his get out this time and lets it go too far so he could blame the PL, only for the PL to give it the go ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 If it did go through and we started to win stuff do you think we would all get bored like the man city fans seem to be sometimes? I would love to get back to the atmospheres like when we hammered Man U 5-0 I sometimes wonder if that is why we get such a hard ride in the press and fat Mike doesn't get called out as much as he should because if we were successful we really could have a big impact on the football establishment "big" clubs Genuinely believe if we had the success city have had you couldnt get a season ticket for love nor money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 If they did take over, to what extent would NUFC be accountable to any future Saudi barbarity? Probably a lot more than if Arsenal got sponsored by Emitates Airlines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Not wanting to be a troll etc, but, can anyone who does not want Saudi money actually say why their money is any different to any other multi billionaires? It's a regime that kills people for fun, this isn't private money. pretty uneducated view mate, sorry to say No it's fucking not. yep it is what do you know of the history of Saudi Arabia? ever been and worked/lived there? You asked the question and he answered, you fucking rectangle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7935917/SAMUEL-does-billionaire-Mohammed-Bin-Salman-need-fixer-buy-Newcastle.html Since he interviewed Ashley he's been very Pro Ashley.....maybe they don't want to deal with Ashley direct. Not that hard to believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7935917/SAMUEL-does-billionaire-Mohammed-Bin-Salman-need-fixer-buy-Newcastle.html Since he interviewed Ashley he's been very Pro Ashley.....maybe they don't want to deal with Ashley direct. Not that hard to believe. Or maybe they'd prefer to use a person familiar in the acquisitions of football clubs? Samuel is an Ashley stooge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoForJoy Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7935917/SAMUEL-does-billionaire-Mohammed-Bin-Salman-need-fixer-buy-Newcastle.html Since he interviewed Ashley he's been very Pro Ashley.....maybe they don't want to deal with Ashley direct. Not that hard to believe. Staveley brokered the Mansour purchase of Man City, Did Samuel question that one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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