Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[Pandamninator]

The rumour is signing Joelinton for £40m was a sweetner to get Saint-Maximin for £16m. Does signing him make it worth while?

 

Sweetner for who?

 

Why would Nice give us a Saint-Maximin for a good price because we spunked 40 million on a Hoffenheim player?

 

Also, we had this fee agreed as far back as February.  We didn't start hearing about ASM until May/June from memory.

[number9shirt]

The rumour is signing Joelinton for £40m was a sweetner to get Saint-Maximin for £16m. Does signing him make it worth while?

 

Sweetner for who?

 

Why would Nice give us a Saint Maximin for a good price because we spunked 40 million on a Hoffenheim player?

Agent/Agents/Agency

[LV]

I thought it was something to do with a work permit. You’re unlikely to get one if you’re not a full international unless a huge fee is paid.

[Rafalove]

nah, don't think so.

 

Klopp likes him and has already used a player we got relegated with previously to go on and win the league, and so knows we specialise in mismanaging players.

 

Should try and swap him for Brewster or Origi who are both available and are more in line with what Bruce prefers.

 

Joelinton at Liverpool kaka?  You mental? Gini is completely different to Joelinton. Gini scores 12 goals in a relegated team managed by Steve Mcclaren. Even at Hoffenheim managed by Naagelsmann  Joelinton only managed a few goals.

 

 

Don’t get me wrong I haven’t completely written him off. He has some physical attributes and despite what many have said I actually think he has a decent first touch but I don’t see how he’s going to Liverpool at all.

[Deuce]

Does strike me as the kind of player who’ll do well once he leaves. It just doesn’t always click for some players.

[Kanj]

Does strike me as the kind of player who’ll do well once he leaves. It just doesn’t always click for some players.

He strikes me as a guy who finally had a good season under an awesome manager. He would have probably developed into the 40m player he was billed to be under one more season under the same manager.

 

But instead he joined our club in complete disarray and anger about Rafa. Replacing Rondon. Wearing the 9. Playing for Bruce.

 

I think his career is completely wasted and won’t ever get back on track because he’s missed likely 2 years of the most important years of development.

 

This club must really enjoy paying up front for failures. Moronic transfer policy.

 

I don’t want to right him off but think he’s truly never working here unless we get taken over and a manager makes him a pet project.

[KaKa]

nah, don't think so.

 

Klopp likes him and has already used a player we got relegated with previously to go on and win the league, and so knows we specialise in mismanaging players.

 

Should try and swap him for Brewster or Origi who are both available and are more in line with what Bruce prefers.

 

Joelinton at Liverpool kaka?  You mental? Gini is completely different to Joelinton. Gini scores 12 goals in a relegated team managed by Steve Mcclaren. Even at Hoffenheim managed by Naagelsmann  Joelinton only managed a few goals.

 

 

Don’t get me wrong I haven’t completely written him off. He has some physical attributes and despite what many have said I actually think he has a decent first touch but I don’t see how he’s going to Liverpool at all.

 

In Frimino's last season before joining Liverpool he scored 10 goals and had 12 assists in 36 games for Hoffenheim. It was his fourth season as a starter in the first team there.

 

In Joelinton's last season at Hoffenheim before making the worst decision of his life to join us he scored 11 goals and had 9 assists in 35 games. It was his first season as a starter in their first team.

 

Look this idea that we signed some bum from Germany is just false, and yes, it wouldn't be out of this world to think he could contribute to that Liverpool team playing a similar role to what Firmino does as his backup, as they don't have a similar forward when he is out of the team.

 

Firmino since joining Liverpool pretty much averages 11 goals and 9 assists a season, but he is so much more than that because of what he allows Sane and Salah to do as their goal scoring wide forwards. Although Joelinton is not an exact copy, he was heralded in Germany because of the contributions he made that allowed the other forwards in the team to shine in the same way. We signed him without having any wide men or strikers that get in behind and threaten the goal.

 

I have no doubt if we had signed Firmino, we would have been shitting on him too with such gems like: what's all this false 9 business!, he's not 'striking' right!, get in the box man!, work harder!, more passion!, so what if we have 20% possession score goals!. Firmino gets 11 goals a season in that Liverpool team, he certainly wouldn't get more than 3 under Bruce in our setup that's for sure.

 

We deserve a PFM man like Bruce man 100%. Wish people would stop pretending they want or are interested in anything different.

 

We have a talented young striker we just spent £40 million on who is struggling, and instead of looking at what type of player he is and asking why he is not being put in the right situation to even have a chance to succeed by our genius manager, everyone's lambasting the guy because he's not having success in a team with hardly any possession that launches balls at him from 50 yards. Just perfect.

[Menace]

That's utter s****. He's had plenty of chances to show what he's made of last season. He's pony. Even at Liverpool (the idea of him playing for Liverpool is hilarious btw) he would still be pony.

 

If he was so highly rated and "klopp likes him" why the f*** did he end up at Newcastle

 

Rafa was spot on not wanting him.

[KaKa]

That's utter s****. He's had plenty of chances to show what he's made of last season. He's pony. Even at Liverpool (the idea of him playing for Liverpool is hilarious btw) he would still be pony.

 

If he was so highly rated and "klopp likes him" why the f*** did he end up at Newcastle

 

Rafa was spot on not wanting him.

 

 

This a waste of my time. I've said all I care to about it.

 

Hope he gets a move as soon as he can manage it for his own good.

[Guest]

He needs out for his own good. He doesn’t help himself but Bruce also isn’t helping him by playing him in a position he’s no good for. Worst signing we’ve ever made. Is a £12-16m player better suited to playing in one of the positions behind a striker.

[RS]

The only explanation now is when joelinton was asked if he was a striker he replied in German and a confused Bruce gave him the hallowed shirt.

[mrmojorisin75]

did bruce throw him up front again last night?

 

i mean this lad looks shite but he's gotta have some help from someone, pls

[Alberts Mustache]

I have no doubt if we had signed Firmino, we would have been shitting on him too with such gems like: what's all this false 9 business!, he's not 'striking' right!, get in the box man!, work harder!, more passion!, so what if we have 20% possession score goals!. Firmino gets 11 goals a season in that Liverpool team, he certainly wouldn't get more than 3 under Bruce in our setup that's for sure.

 

We have a talented young striker we just spent £40 million on who is struggling, and instead of looking at what type of player he is and asking why he is not being put in the right situation to even have a chance to succeed by our genius manager, everyone's lambasting the guy because he's not having success in a team with hardly any possession that launches balls at him from 50 yards. Just perfect.

 

:thup:

[Shearergol]

I have no doubt if we had signed Firmino, we would have been shitting on him too with such gems like: what's all this false 9 business!, he's not 'striking' right!, get in the box man!, work harder!, more passion!, so what if we have 20% possession score goals!. Firmino gets 11 goals a season in that Liverpool team, he certainly wouldn't get more than 3 under Bruce in our setup that's for sure.

 

We have a talented young striker we just spent £40 million on who is struggling, and instead of looking at what type of player he is and asking why he is not being put in the right situation to even have a chance to succeed by our genius manager, everyone's lambasting the guy because he's not having success in a team with hardly any possession that launches balls at him from 50 yards. Just perfect.

 

:thup:

 

A very easy way to counter the argument from the first line would be to mention that Firmino actually closes players down when they have the ball. Joelinton doesn't. He also makes intelligent runs. Joelinton doesn't. He also has the ability to strike the ball cleanly. Joelinton doesn't.

 

Look, we all know that under a different manager using a completely different system and a completely different team, Joelinton would look better than he does. But next time he's through on goal and gently passes is to their keeper, are fans expected to react with "ooh, unlucky, if only the poor guy had a better manager playing to his strengths, he would be sticking that in the bottom corner"?

[Dr.Spaceman]

I have no doubt if we had signed Firmino, we would have been shitting on him too with such gems like: what's all this false 9 business!, he's not 'striking' right!, get in the box man!, work harder!, more passion!, so what if we have 20% possession score goals!. Firmino gets 11 goals a season in that Liverpool team, he certainly wouldn't get more than 3 under Bruce in our setup that's for sure.

 

We have a talented young striker we just spent £40 million on who is struggling, and instead of looking at what type of player he is and asking why he is not being put in the right situation to even have a chance to succeed by our genius manager, everyone's lambasting the guy because he's not having success in a team with hardly any possession that launches balls at him from 50 yards. Just perfect.

 

:thup:

 

A very easy way to counter the argument from the first line would be to mention that Firmino actually closes players down when they have the ball. Joelinton doesn't. He also makes intelligent runs. Joelinton doesn't. He also has the ability to strike the ball cleanly. Joelinton doesn't.

 

Look, we all know that under a different manager using a completely different system and a completely different team, Joelinton would look better than he does. But next time he's through on goal and gently passes is to their keeper, are fans expected to react with "ooh, unlucky, if only the poor guy had a better manager playing to his strengths, he would be sticking that in the bottom corner"?

 

Nailed it.

 

Regardless of the price tag or what he could be, he's just not good enough right now, which is all we should really care about. Similar situation to Mitrovic when he was here.

[Judge Holden]

Kaka rates every footballer.

[St1pe]

 

Given the replies to this and the responses Kaka has had for not absolutely slating the lad and saying he’s shite reminds me of Thauvin in almost every way. A young player new to the league asked to play in an unfamiliar position by a poor manager in system that didn’t suite him. I can’t remember a player that got more stick from the fan base at the time, a couple of years later he’s in the French team with all of their attacking options.

 

I don’t think anyone in the right mind would try and suggest Joelinton has been anything other than terrible. I also don’t think you’re really stretching to suggest there’s a good player there somewhere, like Thauvin. Getting the best out of him and whether that’ll happen here seems increasingly unlikely though.

[mrmojorisin75]

if we could somehow get £15-20m for him we should do it immediately and then go and sign cantwell or someone with the money, we all know how much ashley likes to take a loss though

[James]

Really don’t think we paid £40m for him. We somehow managed to inflate the fee probably for the work permit and PR but in real terms he cost £8-12m.

 

In terms of the transfer fee removing the performance elements, our record signings are:

 

1. Wilson

2. ASM

3. Owen

4. Shearer

5. Wijnaldum

[joeyt]

You don't seriously think that do you

[mrmojorisin75]

Really don’t think we paid £40m for him. We somehow managed to inflate the fee probably for the work permit and PR but in real terms he cost £8-12m.

 

In terms of the transfer fee removing the performance elements, our record signings are:

 

1. Wilson

2. ASM

3. Owen

4. Shearer

5. Wijnaldum

 

based on....?

[Shearergol]

Kaka rates every footballer.

 

Apart from RLC

[Shearergol]

 

Given the replies to this and the responses Kaka has had for not absolutely slating the lad and saying he’s shite reminds me of Thauvin in almost every way. A young player new to the league asked to play in an unfamiliar position by a poor manager in system that didn’t suite him. I can’t remember a player that got more stick from the fan base at the time, a couple of years later he’s in the French team with all of their attacking options.

 

I don’t think anyone in the right mind would try and suggest Joelinton has been anything other than terrible. I also don’t think you’re really stretching to suggest there’s a good player there somewhere, like Thauvin. Getting the best out of him and whether that’ll happen here seems increasingly unlikely though.

 

Thauvin had plenty people supporting him, particularly on here. In fact I think the majority of people (on here) recognised he was class.

[Lenny]

Really don’t think we paid £40m for him. We somehow managed to inflate the fee probably for the work permit and PR but in real terms he cost £8-12m.

 

In terms of the transfer fee removing the performance elements, our record signings are:

 

1. Wilson

2. ASM

3. Owen

4. Shearer

5. Wijnaldum

 

based on....?

 

And even with this logic, shouldn't Almiron be #1?

[James]

Really don’t think we paid £40m for him. We somehow managed to inflate the fee probably for the work permit and PR but in real terms he cost £8-12m.

 

In terms of the transfer fee removing the performance elements, our record signings are:

 

1. Wilson

2. ASM

3. Owen

4. Shearer

5. Wijnaldum

 

based on....?

 

And even with this logic, shouldn't Almiron be #1?

 

Sorry Almiron is at number 4 and Shearer 5