Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[Conjo]

22 minutes ago, TBG said:

Might be reading too much into things, but could Dan 'still hasn't said a word, so is he staying or going. I need to know, NOW' Ashworth be unsettling Big Joe ahead of both their respective moves to Man Utd? 

 

 

 

yes, yes you are

[Pata]

1 hour ago, Upthemags said:

Not overly attached to Big Joe staying. He'll fetch a large fee for us and doesn't seem to have physical robustness to be able to stay on the pitch for a meaningful stretch of games.

 

Seriously? He has played 32, 35, 31 and 38 games for us in the league in the past four seasons. Are we really declaring every player that gets injured this season a sicknote without looking at the previous seasons?

 

 

Edited January 26, 2024 by Pata

[Coffee_Johnny]

1 hour ago, catlover24 said:

I would match his wage with Bruno’s

I wouldn’t.

[Bimpy474]

1 minute ago, Pata said:

 

Seriously? He has played 32, 35, 31 and 38 games for us in the league in the past four seasons. Are we really declaring every player that gets injured this season a sicknote without looking at the previous seasons`?

 

I love a man who does a bit of research.

[Matt1892]

I like Big Joe and he does come across as a genuinely nice guy, he isn’t someone that we would struggle to replace though in terms of ability.

[jackflap]

1 hour ago, Lotus said:

If we need to sell players to improve the squad and those players need to be of a certain standard and value in order for the fee received to be significant, JL would be my 1st choice.

He’s very good but I think there are better ball players and better positional sense out there.

 

Agree with you for the most part but I think we're still unlocking his potential as a midfielder. Would be very sad to see him go as I don't think we've seen the best of him yet but wouldn't agree with putting him with the top earners just yet, maybe give a contract with a lot of incentives.

[bobbydazzla]

33 minutes ago, TBG said:

Might be reading too much into things, but could Dan 'still hasn't said a word, so is he staying or going. I need to know, NOW' Ashworth be unsettling Big Joe ahead of both their respective moves to Man Utd? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pata]

9 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

I love a man who does a bit of research.

 

Was suspended for three matches last season too iirc. Incredible.

[wormy]

43 minutes ago, TBG said:

Might be reading too much into things, but could Dan 'still hasn't said a word, so is he staying or going. I need to know, NOW' Ashworth be unsettling Big Joe ahead of both their respective moves to Man Utd? 

 

 

 

I heard Dan keeps editing our offer to £50,000 and whispering he can get him £200,000 from Man U in a few months.

[MrRaspberryJam]

14 minutes ago, Pata said:

 

Seriously? He has played 32, 35, 31 and 38 games for us in the league in the past four seasons. Are we really declaring every player that gets injured this season a sicknote without looking at the previous seasons`?

 

@Upthemags - we're waiting..

[Tsunami]

He’s not getting the same money as Bruno. Play him a video of his performances as a centre forward. Perhaps offer a goals incentive to him.

[wormy]

Fucking Pata party pooping with facts and figures. What an utter dweeb. 

[Beren]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

What are you on about?

 

Just seems completely unnecessary to discuss this level of detail with the press.

 

Feels a bit small time. If we're looking to attract top level talent this summer, this is not sending the right message about our ambitions to prospective players IMO.

 

It's uncharacteristic, like I said, but weird all the same.

[Beren]

Best case scenario this is all orchestrated with Joelinton's consent, and that they're seeking to stop other clubs marking up their players and charging NUFC a rich-owner premia whenever we are looking to buy players. 

 

Otherwise feels a bit Pardewy.

[Pata]

5 minutes ago, Beren said:

 

Just seems completely unnecessary to discuss this level of detail with the press.

 

Feels a bit small time. If we're looking to attract top level talent this summer, this is not sending the right message about our ambitions to prospective players IMO.

 

It's uncharacteristic, like I said, but weird all the same.

 

I don't think so. Everyone knows he has a year left in his contract next summer and we are never letting him walk for free in the summer after that. I see it as a message to Joelinton and his agent that he will be sold if things don't advance in the coming months and I'm certain he doesn't want that either. 

 

Pardew was doing this with anyone who was good, no matter how long they had left in their contracts.

 

 

Edited January 26, 2024 by Pata

[TRon]

26 minutes ago, Andy said:

I'm sure it'll get sorted, but if not, it would be a huge misstep to let Big Joe go. As well as being the embodiment of the club's rise from the dust over the last few years, he's easily our most dynamic player. It'll be difficult to find a player who adequately replaces what he brings. 

 

I've always defended Joelinton, he's got a lot of attributes, but he's also pish in front of goal. It might be he's looking to run down his contract and get a big pay day wherever he can. We'll have to weigh that up with getting a decent fee for him and investing that in another player. I don't think he's top level so he won't command top level wages IMO.

[MrRaspberryJam]

Pardew used to attempt to flog players and openly discuss their release clauses when they still had 3-4 years left on their contract. He'd do it after a win in his post match presser. 

 

Howe's talked about it when he's actually been asked about a players contract who's expiring in 12 months or so. Totally different, remember Fergie doing the same when Rooney was arsing around with his contract.

[STM]

10 minutes ago, Beren said:

Best case scenario this is all orchestrated with Joelinton's consent, and that they're seeking to stop other clubs marking up their players and charging NUFC a rich-owner premia whenever we are looking to buy players. 

 

Otherwise feels a bit Pardewy.

 

Totally disagree, loads of big clubs have public back and forths over contracts, Salah comes to mind.

 

Besides, there's no rules to what is and isn't "small time". Eddie can do what he wishes. 

[TRC]

Really struggle to see a landing spot for him where he will get 160k+ aside from Saudi. I think he probably signs for 130kish with us.

[Upthemags]

1 hour ago, Pata said:

 

Seriously? He has played 32, 35, 31 and 38 games for us in the league in the past four seasons. Are we really declaring every player that gets injured this season a sicknote without looking at the previous seasons?

 

 

 

He's been effectively injured this entire season, though I appreciate him playing through those injuries. In addition he just had major surgery that'll sideline him for about half a year from competitive play... Suspect he's the type who would play through these things in the past, but he'll be 28, and it becomes much harder to pull that off as players age.

 

Happy to agree to disagree, though, if you don't find that sufficient to warrant the "injury concern" label!

[gbandit]

40 minutes ago, TRC said:

Really struggle to see a landing spot for him where he will get 160k+ aside from Saudi. I think he probably signs for 130kish with us.

£130k? Is that what Bruno is on? Struggle to see him getting the same wage as our top earner 

[Pata]

13 minutes ago, Upthemags said:

He's been effectively injured this entire season, though I appreciate him playing through those injuries. In addition he just had major surgery that'll sideline him for about half a year from competitive play... Suspect he's the type who would play through these things in the past, but he'll be 28, and it becomes much harder to pull that off as players age.

 

Happy to agree to disagree, though, if you don't find that sufficient to warrant the "injury concern" label!

 

"Doesn't seem to have physical robustness to be able to stay on the pitch for a meaningful stretch of games" is just pure weird when he had been fit for basically the full four seasons before this. He'll be 38 at some point too but right now he's 27 which isn't old no matter how you look at it.

 

Happy to disagree with such knee-jerky statements.

[Lush Vlad]

1 hour ago, Pata said:

 

Seriously? He has played 32, 35, 31 and 38 games for us in the league in the past four seasons. Are we really declaring every player that gets injured this season a sicknote without looking at the previous seasons?

 

 

 

I do feel like he is always playing through niggles and is strapped up in various places. But his form hasn’t really been affected. Apart from maybe earlier this season, although I might be imagining that. 
 

He certainly is ‘robust’. Gets injured and is back playing, running through brick walls and smashing people a week later  

 

I’m not going to write him off after he finally gets a long term injury. 

[TRC]

10 minutes ago, gbandit said:

£130k? Is that what Bruno is on? Struggle to see him getting the same wage as our top earner 

Bruno was on 120k when he first signed, then his new contract was bumped to 200k I believe.

[Pata]

Yeah, robust is certainly one of the words I would use to describe him.

 

He was 26 when this season started, think it's a bit early to be concerned about how his body can handle aging right now or even during his new contract that he hopefully signs soon.

 

 

Edited January 26, 2024 by Pata