Hanshithispantz Posted Sunday at 12:07 Share Posted Sunday at 12:07 12 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Small headache incoming in that Joey is now 2 bookings in 10 games away from a 2 game suspension. Petition to rename this The Joelinton Law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted Sunday at 12:09 Share Posted Sunday at 12:09 He's just played in 8 of the last 9 straight wins, not many managers mess with a side that is winning matches consistently. He's had a poor game yesterday along with seven others, and people want him out of the side. I'm just glad Eddie Howe is the manager and not the superior beings on Nufc Online. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted Sunday at 12:18 Share Posted Sunday at 12:18 Individually, he's had about five really good games this season out of 27, and almost as many stinkers, though I do appreciate he's often doing a load tactically for the team that negates his direct output. Still, I'd argue that across the season he's been average compared to the heights he's reached previously since the positional switch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted Sunday at 12:27 Share Posted Sunday at 12:27 Beefcake Miley does feel like an interesting option as the season progresses. I was surprised Willock was on over him yesterday. I think Howe felt we needed legs - not untrue but we also needed more cuter thinking to get forwards in the game. Willock hasn't shown much of that at all over the last few months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted Sunday at 12:40 Share Posted Sunday at 12:40 39 minutes ago, Rich said: It’s getting close to the point where Miley should be given a shot there, for me. Joe does clearly have talismanic qualities and is held in the highest regard by his teammates, but Miley looks like he can offer what he does and more in terms of output. I agree in some ways. But I don’t think he offers ‘what he does and more’ or a similar profile. The output in terms of passing, chance creation things like that, I agree. I’d like him to get a chance as whilst he doesn’t have the power and drive that Joelinton does. Along with all of his unquantifiable qualities. I think he might bring a bit more calm to proceedings and some quality on the ball. Joelinton is often playing at a 100MPH and like a bull in a china shop. It’s not really going to happen with Gordon always on the left and Murphy doing so well of late on the right. But it does feel like he is at his best in that hybrid LCM/LW role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted Sunday at 12:47 Share Posted Sunday at 12:47 Miley needs a start or two to demonstrate what degree of influence he can have at this level. And with big Joe looking slightly leggy and the yellows mounting , the Southampton game has come at a good time to have a look at it imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted Sunday at 12:51 Share Posted Sunday at 12:51 3 minutes ago, Holloway said: Miley needs a start or two to demonstrate what degree of influence he can have at this level. And with big Joe looking slightly leggy and the yellows mounting , the Southampton game has come at a good time to have a look at it imo Ironically it might’ve been better against Bournemouth where we were under a quite intense press. His technique and passing is the third best in our midfield options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted Sunday at 12:56 Share Posted Sunday at 12:56 (edited) FWIW it’s possible that Howe might have a word with Joelinton after how angry he got against Bournemouth. Helps nobody when he takes it that far and it breads a chaotic feeling. Edited Sunday at 12:56 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted Sunday at 13:03 Share Posted Sunday at 13:03 Please do not drop Joelinton for Lewis Miley. Please do not drop Joelinton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted Sunday at 13:10 Share Posted Sunday at 13:10 46 minutes ago, Rich said: Individually, he's had about five really good games this season out of 27, and almost as many stinkers, though I do appreciate he's often doing a load tactically for the team that negates his direct output. Still, I'd argue that across the season he's been average compared to the heights he's reached previously since the positional switch. Not making excuses for him but he's still got that shoulder strapping, played probably too many minutes and then we use him as our Swiss army knife of versatility. He's been central, more advanced central, left wing, right wing and extra man in defence. He's probably the weak link of the three because the other two are just so good. Even yesterday trying to hold the ball up with 3 players on him is a skill we would miss in certain games his shooting is atrocious at times that's two games in a row it's fallen to him to hit the sky but he does offer us alot. As he gets older and continues to pick up bookings we have to get used to rotating him out for certain games the squad development and depth just isn't there yet despite the number of midfielders on our books no one does what big joe does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted Sunday at 13:27 Share Posted Sunday at 13:27 15 minutes ago, nufcjmc said: Not making excuses for him but he's still got that shoulder strapping, played probably too many minutes and then we use him as our Swiss army knife of versatility. He's been central, more advanced central, left wing, right wing and extra man in defence. He's probably the weak link of the three because the other two are just so good. Even yesterday trying to hold the ball up with 3 players on him is a skill we would miss in certain games his shooting is atrocious at times that's two games in a row it's fallen to him to hit the sky but he does offer us alot. As he gets older and continues to pick up bookings we have to get used to rotating him out for certain games the squad development and depth just isn't there yet despite the number of midfielders on our books no one does what big joe does. Perhaps he e shouldn't of played then and Miley should of been on from the start. Willock wise very poor I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted Sunday at 14:16 Share Posted Sunday at 14:16 2 hours ago, Rich said: It’s getting close to the point where Miley should be given a shot there, for me. Joe does clearly have talismanic qualities and is held in the highest regard by his teammates, but Miley looks like he can offer what he does and more in terms of output. I don't think Miley could offer anything like Joelinton's combative output, or the same attacking threat when drifting wide left. Miley seems more of a Bruno alternative to me, far more effective central. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearljam10 Posted Sunday at 14:17 Share Posted Sunday at 14:17 Swap deal with Anderson in the summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted Sunday at 14:18 Share Posted Sunday at 14:18 1 hour ago, Fak said: Please do not drop Joelinton for Lewis Miley. Please do not drop Joelinton. Why would it be him being dropped? ‘Different games. Different needs.’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted Sunday at 15:08 Share Posted Sunday at 15:08 Joe is a beast but he doesn’t have the stamina and natural fitness to perform at his best consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted Sunday at 18:12 Share Posted Sunday at 18:12 3 hours ago, Zero said: Joe is a beast but he doesn’t have the stamina and natural fitness to perform at his best consistently. Jesus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted Sunday at 22:53 Share Posted Sunday at 22:53 7 hours ago, Zero said: Joe is a beast but he doesn’t have the stamina and natural fitness to perform at his best consistently. I think he has both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted Sunday at 22:54 Share Posted Sunday at 22:54 Literally his main asset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted Sunday at 23:34 Share Posted Sunday at 23:34 I think we need him in some games and he’s obsolete in others. I don’t think that’s changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Monday at 00:56 Share Posted Monday at 00:56 9 hours ago, Zero said: Joe is a beast but he doesn’t have the stamina and natural fitness to perform at his best consistently. I'd say they're his strengths; for me, it is his technique which is his greatest weakness. I still think he looked much better further forward, and he isn't a particularly great midfielder. Love him as a marauding, muscular LW provided he has support from LCM and LB - the problem is we're well stocked at LW. From a PSR perspective, he'd be on my the list of preferences to cash in on this summer as he'd fetch a tidy sum and his original fee has been considerably amortised (without PSR I wouldn't countenance it). I totally understand if folks are upset by that - who doesn't love big Joe? - but in terms of going forwards, if Howe is to carry on with his 4-3-3 I think we could find a better fit at LCM and also open up headroom to invest elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted Monday at 01:04 Share Posted Monday at 01:04 2 hours ago, huss9 said: I think he has both. That couldn’t explain why he is that inconsistent among matches. It is not just technique. He simply looks like off the pace. Thats not just technical issues. Being able to boss 90mins in one game doesn’t mean his body is naturally excellent at recovering his stamina in time and boss another 90 mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted Monday at 01:08 Share Posted Monday at 01:08 8 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I'd say they're his strengths; for me, it is his technique which is his greatest weakness. I still think he looked much better further forward, and he isn't a particularly great midfielder. Love him as a marauding, muscular LW provided he has support from LCM and LB - the problem is we're well stocked at LW. From a PSR perspective, he'd be on my the list of preferences to cash in on this summer as he'd fetch a tidy sum and his original fee has been considerably amortised (without PSR I wouldn't countenance it). I totally understand if folks are upset by that - who doesn't love big Joe? - but in terms of going forwards, if Howe is to carry on with his 4-3-3 I think we could find a better fit at LCM and also open up headroom to invest elsewhere. I talked about that last summer already that we would regret not cashing in earlier, and given up Anderson / Minteh. Anyway we should also take note of his age, and remember he is a Brazilian. Most of the Brazilian players would regress at late 20s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Monday at 01:10 Share Posted Monday at 01:10 Just now, Zero said: I talked about that last summer already that we would regret not cashing in earlier Yeah, I agree - I would have also cashed in earlier (and advocated it at the time). His career turnaround with us is probably the most remarkable I've seen at the club, but I wouldn't let sentiment get in the way of driving the club forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Monday at 01:11 Share Posted Monday at 01:11 I still hope he smashes in the League Cup-winning goal at Wembley and makes me eat my words re cashing in earlier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted Monday at 01:49 Share Posted Monday at 01:49 37 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I still hope he smashes in the League Cup-winning goal at Wembley and makes me eat my words re cashing in earlier Same. That would do it to me as well. That cup win would outweighs everything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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