r0cafella Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Doesn’t look fully fit to my eye. The burst of acceleration and balance he usually has is missing at present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I dunno, I just feel like I'm kind of over him. I'm trying hard not to be reactionary, but I don't feel as fond of him as I used to. He rarely appears fit, doesn't work back much, and it feels like we play better without him. I don't feel like I've seen him truly grab a game by the goolies in quite a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) He is our best player at the club, for now. My only critique of him is being greedy and not passing when he should because its disrupted a lot of promising attacks lately - however keep in mind he has produced some of his best magic by being exactly like that. A do it all on your own kind of player. Teams have obviously picked up on his ability and the fact he tries to do it all on his own but I see no reason why his role can't be slightly adjusted or improved on/varied - with the right coaching. Let's give him a full pre-season and actual season under Howe please before saying ridiculous stuff like "would sell him this summer". What for? Do we need the money or is he a toxic individual in the dressing room? Edited March 18, 2022 by Amir_9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 It’s not exactly “getting rid of”. The point is it’s kinda obvious that the team as a whole, and the player, are going towards different directions. If this continues, the team would be better off by playing someone else in the starting eleven and he will only become an impact sub. I guarantee you that he will ask for transfer at that time. Parting away in the summer looks more and more likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Reading a ton of hate this lad seems to ever increasingly be getting on Twitter. Some of our fans deserve the Ashley era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Rich said: He’s not long for this world under Howe, like. Could just try and sell him. Killing him seems a bit OTT? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Needs to start games. Our attack is absolutely tragic without him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outremont Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Why didn’t he put a foot on the ball with J7’s pass? It was so poor that he allowed himself to get robbed by Coleman. He looks to be sulking as well. I think Howe is managing him poorly, we don’t know if he is fit or not. FFS man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 There are zero complaints about what he offers us going forward and creating. We look very ordinary going forward when he isn´t on the pitch. But, It is possible that Eddie´s minimum requirement is that every player also runs the "hard yards" and carries out technical positioning and pressing. Which is fair enough. Last night for his first ten minutes he was covering pass lines much better, holding a defensive position when needed and pressing a little harder than usual, then he started to slow down. My own opinion is that for team morale and "fairness", the players that are putting in 110% each game are those that are keeping their places (see Krafth; runs a load and tries hard, but is gash = and keeps his place...), not sure I wholly agree but that is what it looks like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Is the team better with or without him? With him for me! Aye, frustrating but I will put up with it for what he brings to the table Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outremont Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, buzza said: There are zero complaints about what he offers us going forward and creating. We look very ordinary going forward when he isn´t on the pitch. But, It is possible that Eddie´s minimum requirement is that every player also runs the "hard yards" and carries out technical positioning and pressing. Which is fair enough. Last night for his first ten minutes he was covering pass lines much better, holding a defensive position when needed and pressing a little harder than usual, then he started to slow down. My own opinion is that for team morale and "fairness", the players that are putting in 110% each game are those that are keeping their places (see Krafth; runs a load and tries hard, but is gash = and keeps his place...), not sure I wholly agree but that is what it looks like. The Liverpool and Man City models are that everyone has to do their bit. I quite like the concept. Krafth is solid defensively, Manq went missing last night at the key moment. Goal doesn’t happen with Krafth on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Outremont said: The Liverpool and Man City models are that everyone has to do their bit. I quite like the concept. Krafth is solid defensively, Manq went missing last night at the key moment. Goal doesn’t happen with Krafth on the pitch. 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) On 15/01/2022 at 21:18, wormy said: Infuriating aside from the moment of magic. The question is whether the moment of magic outweighs the infuriation. Right now? Yeah, I think it does. And that's depressing as shit. Keep thinking back to what I said after the Watford match and think it still rings true. Right now he's still important to us. But if we stay up and kick on like everyone hopes, I can see him becoming expendable very quickly if he doesn't change his way of playing. It could be that with more capable players he begins to trust releasing the ball more often but I don't see it personally. I'm certainly over the idea of trying to use him as an impact sub on his returns from injury, though. Start him or just don't bother. Edited March 18, 2022 by wormy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Get rid in the summer! Lazy! Unfit! Oh no wait. I like Eddie Howe but we’d be absolutely slating Bruce if he was playing ASM whilst injured/unfit like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 He still worries the oppostion. He was occupying 2, and sometimes 3 Everton players when he came on last night. Then of course it's his run and turn of speed that ends up getting their man a red card but we didn't capatalise on it. The one thing with NUFC fans is they'll turn on the flair players very quickly. I've lost count of the amount of times I argued in the stands defending Robert and a large section were always critical of HBA as well. I expect ASM will become the next target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Small sample size but my hypothesis is that Joelinton's game will suffer when ASM isn't in the team as well. It's weird but he thrives on covering a lot of ASM's defensive work which he doesn't need to do when Fraser's playing; and in an attacking sense he links up with ASM much better too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 He’s playing badly and being fairly criticised, just like he’s rightly praised when he does well. Obviously there are fans on twitter overreacting but that happens with any subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 That turnover for the goal is always going to happen with the way he plays. He's all about drawing players in as close as possible so when he gets his foot in first he will leave them on their arse in the dust. It's such a fine margin that he's inevitably going to lose out once in a while. It's the sort of thing the rest need to be aware of and ready to cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I don't want us to sell him because, if he can be polished, he could be an incredible asset. But he's unreliable and if the manager chose to sell him and replace him with a more dependable winger/attacker, I'd back the decision 100%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) If he played like he has in some of his best games every week he'd be in line for a Ballon d'Or. He's not above criticism at all but the way some of our fans go on about him is mental, they deserve a team of Jack Colbacks. Edited March 18, 2022 by TheHoob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, ManDoon said: That argument lacks a bit of nuance imo, we should be able to critical of him in a fair way 13 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: He’s playing badly and being fairly criticised, just like he’s rightly praised when he does well. Obviously there are fans on twitter overreacting but that happens with any subject. I think that’s the problem though. Fans seem to latch onto certain players in a weird obsessions sort of way. It’s always happened, like Ben Arfa, Robert, Perez but now they have a direct line to them. ASM had been shite in the past couple of games. It’s absolutely fine to say it but people are going on as if he’s holding the team back now when it was only a few weeks ago he dominated that same Everton team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 The comparisons to Ben Arfa hate aren't right IMO. ASM doesn't have anywhere close to the decision making Ben Arfa did. Which is ultimately what he needs to work on. Hatem saw the whole game, ASM sees what's infront of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 He’s at Newcastle because he holds onto the ball too much, questionable work rate off the ball but he has immense talent. It’s in his hands to be the player he could potentially be. But I don’t see it. Out of all the pre-takeover players. He’s the one with the talent to stay with us to the top. Does he want it though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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