jarralad Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I think the fact that he isn't our top player anymore is playing on his mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, jarralad said: I think the fact that he isn't our top player anymore is playing on his mind. And we're no longer shite also. I wouldn't be arsed if he's moved on to be honest. He's not really been that effective in the turn of form we've had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Got to give him a chance with better attacking players in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Feel like that is a totally baseless and unfair thing to throw at him. He's emotional and stroppy and will milk the crowd's affection, but I see absolutely nothing to suggest he's more interested in the limelight than he is the team's progress. You just have to look at his reaction to our last two winners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) He's in a period of readjustment. 1) He's not the focal point of the team now. 2) He's not getting the slack he did under Bruce for all of his off the field excursions etc. He's still playing well in patches. However he should stop doing that run is does across the whole of the backline from left to right constantly, it's so utterly predictable when he's going to do it. Edited April 21, 2022 by neesy111 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Feel like that is a totally baseless and unfair thing to throw at him. He's emotional and stroppy and will milk the crowd's affection, but I see absolutely nothing to suggest he's more interested in the limelight than he is the team's progress. You just have to look at his reaction to our last two winners. Agree, totally. Was all over Migi and straight off the bench v Leicester Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Upgradeable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 His form is really poor, no goals or assists since 15 January. I don’t know if it’s because he’s not allowed to do whatever he wants, as he was under Bruce, and he now actually has to play as part of a structured team. We should stick with him as we bring better players in next season for sure, but he needs to step it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 He’s for sure fallen out of form - the things he’s usually pulling off he simply isn’t. That Everton home game was the last time he was truly at his best. All good though. It’ll come back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I appreciate why people would want to hold onto him and give him a chance, but this guy isn't it for me. If you want someone to make a good highlight reel of cutting away before the end product bit he's your man, but in terms of kicking on we need wingers on both sides who regularly contribute goals and assists. His form is patchy and he's injured a fair bit (though not so much this season) Not an immediate priority but similar to to Dubravka, we should be looking to upgrade down the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said: I appreciate why people would want to hold onto him and give him a chance, but this guy isn't it for me. If you want someone to make a good highlight reel of cutting away before the end product bit he's your man, but in terms of kicking on we need wingers on both sides who regularly contribute goals and assists. His form is patchy and he's injured a fair bit (though not so much this season) Not an immediate priority but similar to to Dubravka, we should be looking to upgrade down the line. Aye - we need someone who can get 15-20 goal contributions from wide. Jarrod Bowen, Zaha & Raphinha levels of output and he's a step behind that. Some of us like to think he's functioning at that level but he's not. He's more Leandro Trossard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Not sure what people want from him half the time. He made runs last night that had nobody really showing for the ball ahead of him. Wood especially didn't look for the ball he looked to make space for ASM to shoot. If he wasn't trying to shoot or beat players he'd have to turn and drop it back 30 yards to Shelvey most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shak Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 The fact that he's clearly trying to adapt his game to fit in better is a real credit to him, it's not coming off right now but it would be a shame not to give him more time IMO. Feels like next season will be a transitional one for us anyway so hopefully we give him a year to see if he can grow into the player we all want him to be. If Howe would prefer to move him and spend the money on a replacement I'm fine with it but I hope not. In the wide positions, I'd like to see us bring in a first choice RW and then maybe a highly rated youngster, moving on from Murphy. ASM, Almiron, Fraser and two new wide men would be a good group IMO, especially if we can add a quality striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 40 minutes ago, Papavasiliou said: Not sure what people want from him half the time. He made runs last night that had nobody really showing for the ball ahead of him. Wood especially didn't look for the ball he looked to make space for ASM to shoot. If he wasn't trying to shoot or beat players he'd have to turn and drop it back 30 yards to Shelvey most of the time. This isn't true. He ignores easy passed to attempt wasteful dribbles in areas where losing the ball allows for a quick opposition counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 hours ago, KaKa said: Yeah, lots of great points in your post. The key one being the lack of space to run into right away because we are now playing with more purpose to take the game to teams, and with more of a pressing style, rather than sitting deep, which leaves a lot of running room to break into on the counter. He now needs to adjust his mindset and look to release the ball very early and look to work quicker one-twos to then release him into space higher up the pitch. I don't think he quite sees that yet, and is still looking to just go straight into dribbling a multitude of players. We'll see if he can figure it out. Honestly I just don't see him ever being that player. He's trying to do it a bit now, but often still holds onto it a fraction too long. It goes against every instinct in his body. Would definitely be interesting to see what he would look like surrounded by better players, but I think ultimately he'd still want to dribble for the sake of dribbling. It's what he's about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, David Edgar said: This isn't true. He ignores easy passed to attempt wasteful dribbles in areas where losing the ball allows for a quick opposition counter. Easy passes aren't always good passes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Papavasiliou said: Easy passes aren't always good passes. They are in the situations I'm talking about. ASMs decision making is pretty woeful. Just a stark contrast to Bruno and worse than everyone else in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I like ASM and there is obviously the chance of him becoming an effective player. He needs to learn when to pick the easy pass and when to go on a solo raid. Often he tries the “too long” solo raid. He rarely does the pass and move and then get the ball back again to continue. It’s not always necessary to have the last shot or pass before a eventual goal. In my opinion he stands still too often when he receives the ball and takes too many touches even the times when he ends up playing the simple pass. Play it quickly to begin with and then offer your team mate a new passing option. I know he has a lot of opposition players against him, doubling up and he ends up in too tight and crowded situations. But he also invites this by either receiving the ball being too static, or holding on to the ball for too long or taking too many touches or players on. When he finds the correct balance of when to do what, evaluating correctly, only then can he fulfil his potential and talent. Having said all that, it will be interesting to see if Eddie can change him for next season,If he listens and follows instructions. Safe to say that he could then be one hell of a player, even if his end product lets him down at times (can be worked on) He can be a much better player now with quite a few tweaks and some better confidence. Right now the only players we have that I properly hope we build the team around is Bruno, Trippier and Targett. Obviously other players have massive roles to play as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 He can go in a couple of seasons if he can't adapt and we progress but currently he's still one of our best players, has played more minutes than anybody else, and has more combined g+a than anybody else in the squad. We've got enough of a rebuilding job on without jettisoning our best players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: He can go in a couple of seasons if he can't adapt and we progress but currently he's still one of our best players, has played more minutes than anybody else, and has more combined g+a than anybody else in the squad. We've got enough of a rebuilding job on without jettisoning our best players. I agree. I don’t want him gone either. Within time he will be gone anyway if things don’t change for the better in a year or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Yorkie said: Feel like that is a totally baseless and unfair thing to throw at him. He's emotional and stroppy and will milk the crowd's affection, but I see absolutely nothing to suggest he's more interested in the limelight than he is the team's progress. You just have to look at his reaction to our last two winners. I think both can be true. I don't think he's selfishly upset about not being the sole hope, but I think it is a role adjustment for him, both psychologically and tactically. I think he feels a bit like he's seen as yesterday's man. Edited April 21, 2022 by 80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 He's out of form and it's fine keeping him on against the poorer sides, Have to drop him after Norwich though surely, until Burnley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 hours ago, The Butcher said: What in the strictly come dancing was that? Love how Kouyate just slowly backs away in confusion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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