Shak Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Rich said: One more year, aye, but I wouldn't be that arsed if we cut our losses. We'll be able to attract better in the summer, surely? Aye, this is basically where I am. When you're a shite team going nowhere you desperately cling to players like ASM or Ben Arfa as they're players who are a joy to watch in a team that offers little in that regard. We're not that anymore. It's succulent football all the way for us now, lads. We're going to have a team loaded with players who can do absolutely insane things with a football and won't have the question marks ASM has against him. Not a priority move to make IMO but I can see us trying to cash in now if he's not in the long term plans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 5 hours ago, HaydnNUFC said: Sick of Hope now, like. He's just a little shit-stirrer who seems to take way too much pleasure from winding people up. It was good when we needed it but you can fuck right off with that shite now, ta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 47 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: What's a shame? That he's out for a couple of games and possibly the season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 LET'S SELL ONE OF OUR MOST TALENTED PLAYYYYYYERS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) I find a lot of people’s attitudes about ASM a bit odd. So thought I’d try and Mansplane it ? He’s got a rare talent. A match winner. He’s under contract and isn’t on a big wage. He’s liked by the management and players. Off the pitch he’s done nothing but shown generosity to the people of the area. He’s showing a great attitude in trying to fit into a new system this season and was devastating and probably our best player until his first injury. Every time he’s returned from injury and got up to speed he’s looked one of our most creative players. With a bit of luck we will need a bigger squad playing 3 games a season with plenty of rotation and ability to carry injuries at certain parts of the season. Going forward if we want to extend his contract he’d comfortably fit into our wage structure. We don’t need the transfer fee he’d command and replacing him would cost way more. …Yet still at the nearest whiff of unavailability people want him sold ? (PS We have lost 6 times this season and he’s played only 230mins out of a possible 540mins not being involved in 3 of them and arguably our MOTM in two of them) (PPS It’s noticeable in the games we’ve failed to score he’s usually not been available either) Edited April 28, 2023 by LFEE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 50 minutes ago, NEEJ said: Sick of Hope now, like. He's just a little shit-stirrer who seems to take way too much pleasure from winding people up. It was good when we needed it but you can fuck right off with that shite now, ta. Anyone who's happy working for the daily mail is a cunt, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Surely we'd have done that last summer? I'd love him to be able to do it, I'm just not sure. If he was happy to take a Wilson type role at the club then brilliant, but can't see that at his age when he could play every week for a counter-attacking team.. Every person's body is different with this sort of thing. Some people need to do extra work to condition their bodies for such a high intensity style of play and I think he's one of those that neds it. He should be doing some additional gym work to strengthen the muscle groups that are really given him issues. Don't think just doing the same set programme that is generally being given to the team is going to suffice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I'd love to know why they get them to go on the bikes so much. Being a cyclist and a qualified coach myself, if I'm training a lot I have to do a shit-tonne of stretching and strength work on glutes/hamstrings. Cycling effectively shortens your hamstrings because you don't fully extend them on a pedal stroke - I'd imagine you really don't want this if you're running/sprinting a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 47 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: LET'S SELL ONE OF OUR MOST TALENTED PLAYYYYYYERS! He could be our Messi but it's irrelevant as he's always fucking injured Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I reckon if Maxi really wants to be at Newcastle, he'll be here for another season at least. Howe won't want to sell him unless ASM is not putting in the effort, whether that's on the training pitch or how he lives off it. Everyone is just guessing here, for all we know it might be Maxi is desperate to stay, and is happy to work on his muscle issues. But you can't deny he's missed too many games this season, and that will be a factor in any decision on his future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greydos Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 40 minutes ago, LFEE said: I find a lot of people’s attitudes about ASM a bit odd. So thought I’d try and Mansplane it ? He’s got a rare talent. A match winner. He’s under contract and isn’t on a big wage. He’s liked by the management and players. Off the pitch he’s done nothing but shown generosity to the people of the area. He’s showing a great attitude in trying to fit into a new system this season and was devastating and probably our best player until his first injury. Every time he’s returned from injury and got up to speed he’s looked one of our most creative players. With a bit of luck we will need a bigger squad playing 3 games a season with plenty of rotation and ability to carry injuries at certain parts of the season. Going forward if we want to extend his contract he’d comfortably fit into our wage structure. We don’t need the transfer fee he’d command and replacing him would cost way more. …Yet still at the nearest whiff of unavailability people want him sold ? (PS We have lost 6 times this season and he’s played only 230mins out of a possible 540mins not being involved in 3 of them and arguably our MOTM in two of them) (PPS It’s noticeable in the games we’ve failed to score he’s usually not been available either) 100% correct post. You've won the Maxi debate. All subsequent replies should defer to this post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, timeEd32 said: Obviously it’s been a good week, but I haven’t once thought about him, how he’s missing, or anything. It feels like he’s had his moment with us, which unfortunately mostly consisted of him being a ray of light in an otherwise depressing situation. He’s the most obvious player we could sell for meaningful money and I think we have to if it helps us bring in a more transformative player. Gavin Peacock at the end of 92/93 vibes after being all we had for a couple years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, greydos said: 100% correct post. You've won the Maxi debate. All subsequent replies should defer to this post. It's a good post but what a relentlessly tedious reply There's a very good debate to be had about ASM's future. Given his injury issues this season and unnatural fit with the way Eddie Howe wants his team to play, if people honestly can't see why cashing in and getting a player who's a better fit for the way we play has some merit then I don't know what to tell them. Equally, given his incredible ability and very clear attempts this season to change his game to fit in with what we do, if anyone can't see the arguement for keeping him another year and seeing if another year in our strength and conditioning program and tactical system on the pitch results in a big leap forward for him than I don't know what to tell them either. Will ultimately just come down to how much Eddie and Allan fancy it IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 The problem with Maxi is that apparently his reps are pushing for a new contract and have been since last summer. The way this season has gone though, we can't really be giving him one just because. If they start pushing again, then it might be a situation where we'll have no choice but to move him on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I may be a bit ignorant and haven't looked through every page of the thread but I keep seeing 'people want him sold'.... is that actually the case? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, LFEE said: I find a lot of people’s attitudes about ASM a bit odd. So thought I’d try and Mansplane it ? He’s got a rare talent. A match winner. He’s under contract and isn’t on a big wage. He’s liked by the management and players. Off the pitch he’s done nothing but shown generosity to the people of the area. He’s showing a great attitude in trying to fit into a new system this season and was devastating and probably our best player until his first injury. Every time he’s returned from injury and got up to speed he’s looked one of our most creative players. With a bit of luck we will need a bigger squad playing 3 games a season with plenty of rotation and ability to carry injuries at certain parts of the season. Going forward if we want to extend his contract he’d comfortably fit into our wage structure. We don’t need the transfer fee he’d command and replacing him would cost way more. …Yet still at the nearest whiff of unavailability people want him sold ? (PS We have lost 6 times this season and he’s played only 230mins out of a possible 540mins not being involved in 3 of them and arguably our MOTM in two of them) (PPS It’s noticeable in the games we’ve failed to score he’s usually not been available either) There's a valid concern about if he can cope with the intensity but that's where it stops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, KaKa said: The problem with Maxi is that apparently his reps are pushing for a new contract and have been since last summer. The way this season has gone though, we can't really be giving him one just because. If they start pushing again, then it might be a situation where we'll have no choice but to move him on. ???? Just not give it him. If he wants out because of that or is deeply unhappy then that is another issue. He's contracted to 2026. There's no urgency to sell him due to a contractual dispute unless it turns his head. 31 minutes ago, Shak said: Given his injury issues this season and unnatural fit with the way Eddie Howe wants his team to play, if people honestly can't see why cashing in and getting a player who's a better fit for the way we play has some merit then I don't know what to tell them. Equally, given his incredible ability and very clear attempts this season to change his game to fit in with what we do, if anyone can't see the arguement for keeping him another year and seeing if another year in our strength and conditioning program and tactical system on the pitch results in a big leap forward for him than I don't know what to tell them either. Will ultimately just come down to how much Eddie and Allan fancy it IMO. This is my issue. He's been able to play the Howe way fine enough. He's not Joelinton or Almiron with the closing down but he's put in a solid shift and done enough of a job for the team. Much like Isak, it's not a natural part of his game and he probably can't do it for 90 minutes 3x a week. It's not been an actual problem on the pitch. He's had some poor games offensively this season but defensively he's always done decent job - even if it doesn't come natural to him. ASM plays a direct and intense game offensively. That does suit the system. And he has the athleticism to close players down. He's a better fit than Maddison. Who I love as a player. But Maddison literally doesn't have the legs. I think we need a player that can slow a game down other than Bruno but JM isn't a pressing monster either. He would be another 70 minute man if he joined. Edited April 28, 2023 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 Quote Newcastle United will receive a huge boost ahead of the arrival of title-chasing Arsenal next weekend with the return of both Allan Saint-Maximin and Sean Longstaff to give manager Eddie Howe a full strength squad to choose from. There were fears that two key players could miss the rest of the season with injuries but Telegraph Sport can reveal that both will be able to train fully in the build up to the Arsenal game. (Luke Edwards) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: (Luke Edwards) Source meh, news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: (Luke Edwards) Saint as an option in the last 20 mins of upcoming games could be huge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 I’m not sure where Luke is getting that info mind, because Eddie said yesterday that Maxi still wasn’t ready to train with the group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 (edited) If he's available, I'd love to see him on the right so we can play Wilson up top and Isak on the left. Might be decent combo. Edited May 1, 2023 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 39 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: I’m not sure where Luke is getting that info mind, because Eddie said yesterday that Maxi still wasn’t ready to train with the group. Eddie does tell porkies re fitness & availability. Arsenal be fuck Maxi is in da team ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 33 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: If he's available, I'd love to see him on the right so we can play Wilson up top and Isak on the left. Might be decent combo. Defence pulled all over the place! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Keegans Export said: (Luke Edwards) If that’s true and the team is as expected we would potentially be bringing Wilson, ASM, Almiron and Gordon all off the bench. That’s insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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