Jump to content

Success at what cost?


Does it matter where the money comes from?  

438 members have voted

  1. 1. Does it matter where the money comes from?

    • Yes
    • No


Recommended Posts

Nobody ‘important’ wants this to happen. Not for morality. Not for ffp. It’s all about politics.

Imagine the Saudis decide the City of Newcastle is their European base. Imagine even a slight power shift from the recognised business centres.

Imagine the light shone not just on Newcastle but the North East an highlighting the decades of neglect by successive governments. The lack of infrastructure, the low mortality age, the disproportionate subsidy rates etc

 

Money and class still run the country. Do you think fox hunting would have lasted so long if it had been a working class ‘sport’?  The BBC and the press are the PR for the old school tie connections. This potential investment will be worrying them.

 

 

Plenty of working class people go out fox hunting. Popular amongst travellers too.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Of course there is media bias against Newcastle. I did an internship at BBC sport years ago, when it was still based in London. Most of the people who worked down there were southern, so they naturally favoured the London teams and Man United. But the bias is natural and if the BBC's headquarters were in Cullercoats, the news would have a different flavour to it.

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think it's much more daft to think that professional journalists for respectable publications are writing articles about human rights abuses because they hate YOUR team.

 

Man City fans have been at this for years. Every journalist hates them because they're all big United fans apparently, even ones like David Conn, who has supported City all his life, they think he's a secret United agent out to get them.

 

My advice to them and any Newcastle fan who is already developing such a persecution complex would be to grow up.

 

We have already been over this, there's a difference between political journalists and sports journalists. Are you telling me when Martin Samuels or Rod Liddle spit their dummy out over the Saudi takeover, they are free of bias? Simon Jenkins is a political journalist, same with Anthony Lloyd of the Times, those journalists write about world politics day in day out. They aren't the ones Man City fans, or ours will be taking an exception to. We are talking about the likes of Richard Keys who can come out stating he wishes it wasn't Newcastle that the Saudis were buying into.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd be the first to twist the knife where the media's bullshit's converned, but the idea that sports journalists are only highlighting human rights abusers buying their way into football specifically because they have a bias against the random football club they've chosen to buy is frankly so embarrassing and conceited that I had to check I wasn't reading 4chan.

 

Even if such a ridiculous claim was true it's irrelevant and presents a distinction without a difference. Bias or no bias, the things they're highlighting are true.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest godzilla

I'd be the first to twist the knife where the media's bullshit's converned, but the idea that sports journalists are only highlighting human rights abusers buying their way into football specifically because they have a bias against the random football club they've chosen to buy is frankly so embarrassing and conceited that I had to check I wasn't reading 4chan.

 

Even if such a ridiculous claim was true it's irrelevant and presents a distinction without a difference. Bias or no bias, the things they're highlighting are true.

 

Whilst accepting wages through their Saudi funded newspapers.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd be the first to twist the knife where the media's bullshit's converned, but the idea that sports journalists are only highlighting human rights abusers buying their way into football specifically because they have a bias against the random football club they've chosen to buy is frankly so embarrassing and conceited that I had to check I wasn't reading 4chan.

 

Even if such a ridiculous claim was true it's irrelevant and presents a distinction without a difference. Bias or no bias, the things they're highlighting are true.

 

Whilst accepting wages through their Saudi funded newspapers.

 

Do they have a choice who owns their employer?  These people still need to provide a living to their families.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Richard Keys is not a journalist, he's a television presenter.

 

I think the other two are idiots. That's not the same as this relentless paranoia that everyone's out to get Newcastle.

 

Last summer it was the refs. People on here were convinced VAR would see NUFC surge to the title because the refs, who all despised Newcastle, would no longer to be able to hide it.

 

Absolutely demented.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd be the first to twist the knife where the media's bullshit's converned, but the idea that sports journalists are only highlighting human rights abusers buying their way into football specifically because they have a bias against the random football club they've chosen to buy is frankly so embarrassing and conceited that I had to check I wasn't reading 4chan.

 

Even if such a ridiculous claim was true it's irrelevant and presents a distinction without a difference. Bias or no bias, the things they're highlighting are true.

 

Whilst accepting wages through their Saudi funded newspapers.

 

So he's using a Saudi funded newspaper to... criticise Saudi Arabia?

 

Isn't that like the definition of integrity?

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest godzilla

I'd be the first to twist the knife where the media's bullshit's converned, but the idea that sports journalists are only highlighting human rights abusers buying their way into football specifically because they have a bias against the random football club they've chosen to buy is frankly so embarrassing and conceited that I had to check I wasn't reading 4chan.

 

Even if such a ridiculous claim was true it's irrelevant and presents a distinction without a difference. Bias or no bias, the things they're highlighting are true.

 

Whilst accepting wages through their Saudi funded newspapers.

 

Do they have a choice who owns their employer?  These people still need to provide a living to their families.

 

If your so adamantly against the regime then get another job/move to another publication not funded by the Saudis.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry like, but if you're a journalist who also happens to be a Manu or Liverpool fan, and you suddenly see Newcastle Utd getting owners who can possibly blow you out of the water when it comes to transfer fees, you are going to feel threatened. It's just human nature. Let me be clear, that doesn't mean what they are saying is wrong, but it also doesn't mean they are saying it for the right reasons.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Richard Keys is not a journalist, he's a television presenter.

 

I think the other two are idiots. That's not the same as this relentless paranoia that everyone's out to get Newcastle.

 

Last summer it was the refs. People on here were convinced VAR would see NUFC surge to the title because the refs, who all despised Newcastle, would no longer to be able to hide it.

 

Absolutely demented.

 

:thup:

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest godzilla

I'd be the first to twist the knife where the media's bullshit's converned, but the idea that sports journalists are only highlighting human rights abusers buying their way into football specifically because they have a bias against the random football club they've chosen to buy is frankly so embarrassing and conceited that I had to check I wasn't reading 4chan.

 

Even if such a ridiculous claim was true it's irrelevant and presents a distinction without a difference. Bias or no bias, the things they're highlighting are true.

 

Whilst accepting wages through their Saudi funded newspapers.

 

So he's using a Saudi funded newspaper to... criticise Saudi Arabia?

 

Isn't that like the definition of integrity?

 

His wages are still being part funded by the Saudis.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd be the first to twist the knife where the media's bullshit's converned, but the idea that sports journalists are only highlighting human rights abusers buying their way into football specifically because they have a bias against the random football club they've chosen to buy is frankly so embarrassing and conceited that I had to check I wasn't reading 4chan.

 

Even if such a ridiculous claim was true it's irrelevant and presents a distinction without a difference. Bias or no bias, the things they're highlighting are true.

 

Whilst accepting wages through their Saudi funded newspapers.

 

Again, I think this argument is irrelevant to the things being highlighted, but even by that logic, I work for a university that over time has been funded more and more by the Saudis and the Chinese, do we all need to go on the dole in order for our opinions and criticisms to have merit?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry like, but if you're a journalist who also happens to be a Manu or Liverpool fan, and you suddenly see Newcastle Utd getting owners who can possibly blow you out of the water when it comes to transfer fees, you are going to feel threatened. It's just human nature. Let me be clear, that doesn't mean what they are saying is wrong, but it also doesn't mean they are saying it for the right reasons.

 

Do you perform your job to differing standards based on what football team you support, or your customer supports? :lol: Have you heard yourself?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Richard Keys is not a journalist, he's a television presenter.

 

I think the other two are idiots. That's not the same as this relentless paranoia that everyone's out to get Newcastle.

 

Last summer it was the refs. People on here were convinced VAR would see NUFC surge to the title because the refs, who all despised Newcastle, would no longer to be able to hide it.

 

Absolutely demented.

 

Richard Keys is still part of the media. If you are only talking about journalists who aren't idiots, then by definition you are going to be right. By the way, I don't think the rest of the world is out to get us, you are going off on an extreme tangent there, I just don't think the reporting on this is going to be bias-free. Because journalists are also football fans at the end of the day. Some will have more integrity than others.

Link to post
Share on other sites

My wages are paid by the UK government who I think are total cunts. I'm away to hand in my notice.

 

The least you can do is when they nationalise the bus or rail services is to protest against the passengers who use it.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd be the first to twist the knife where the media's bullshit's converned, but the idea that sports journalists are only highlighting human rights abusers buying their way into football specifically because they have a bias against the random football club they've chosen to buy is frankly so embarrassing and conceited that I had to check I wasn't reading 4chan.

 

Even if such a ridiculous claim was true it's irrelevant and presents a distinction without a difference. Bias or no bias, the things they're highlighting are true.

 

Whilst accepting wages through their Saudi funded newspapers.

 

Do they have a choice who owns their employer?  These people still need to provide a living to their families.

 

If your so adamantly against the regime then get another job/move to another publication not funded by the Saudis.

 

They'd better cycle to their new jobs, petrol isn't allowed.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry like, but if you're a journalist who also happens to be a Manu or Liverpool fan, and you suddenly see Newcastle Utd getting owners who can possibly blow you out of the water when it comes to transfer fees, you are going to feel threatened. It's just human nature. Let me be clear, that doesn't mean what they are saying is wrong, but it also doesn't mean they are saying it for the right reasons.

 

Don't talk about the people bombing childrens hospitals unless you don't support any football clubs, is essentially the road you're heading down because there's no team in Europe that won't fear us blowing them out of the water by that line of reasoning.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd be the first to twist the knife where the media's bullshit's converned, but the idea that sports journalists are only highlighting human rights abusers buying their way into football specifically because they have a bias against the random football club they've chosen to buy is frankly so embarrassing and conceited that I had to check I wasn't reading 4chan.

 

Even if such a ridiculous claim was true it's irrelevant and presents a distinction without a difference. Bias or no bias, the things they're highlighting are true.

 

Whilst accepting wages through their Saudi funded newspapers.

 

Do they have a choice who owns their employer?  These people still need to provide a living to their families.

 

If your so adamantly against the regime then get another job/move to another publication not funded by the Saudis.

 

Sounds easy.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest NobbyOhNobby

Richard Keys is not a journalist, he's a television presenter.

 

I think the other two are idiots. That's not the same as this relentless paranoia that everyone's out to get Newcastle.

 

Last summer it was the refs. People on here were convinced VAR would see NUFC surge to the title because the refs, who all despised Newcastle, would no longer to be able to hide it.

 

Absolutely demented.

This

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd be the first to twist the knife where the media's bullshit's converned, but the idea that sports journalists are only highlighting human rights abusers buying their way into football specifically because they have a bias against the random football club they've chosen to buy is frankly so embarrassing and conceited that I had to check I wasn't reading 4chan.

 

Even if such a ridiculous claim was true it's irrelevant and presents a distinction without a difference. Bias or no bias, the things they're highlighting are true.

 

Whilst accepting wages through their Saudi funded newspapers.

 

Do they have a choice who owns their employer?  These people still need to provide a living to their families.

 

If your so adamantly against the regime then get another job/move to another publication not funded by the Saudis.

 

Genuine question, are you a Tory?

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest NobbyOhNobby

I'd be the first to twist the knife where the media's bullshit's converned, but the idea that sports journalists are only highlighting human rights abusers buying their way into football specifically because they have a bias against the random football club they've chosen to buy is frankly so embarrassing and conceited that I had to check I wasn't reading 4chan.

 

Even if such a ridiculous claim was true it's irrelevant and presents a distinction without a difference. Bias or no bias, the things they're highlighting are true.

 

Whilst accepting wages through their Saudi funded newspapers.

 

Do they have a choice who owns their employer?  These people still need to provide a living to their families.

 

If your so adamantly against the regime then get another job/move to another publication not funded by the Saudis.

 

Genuine question, are you a Tory?

:lol:

Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry like, but if you're a journalist who also happens to be a Manu or Liverpool fan, and you suddenly see Newcastle Utd getting owners who can possibly blow you out of the water when it comes to transfer fees, you are going to feel threatened. It's just human nature. Let me be clear, that doesn't mean what they are saying is wrong, but it also doesn't mean they are saying it for the right reasons.

 

Don't talk about the people bombing childrens hospitals unless you don't support any football clubs, is essentially the road you're heading down because there's no team in Europe that won't fear us blowing them out of the water by that line of reasoning.

 

By all means talk about people bombing childrens hospitals if that is what you are passionate about, more power to you. But if you are a mackem who has suddenly grown a conscience and decided to give me a lecture about this newly discovered abomination, then I reserve the right to be sceptical.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think we have had a much better deal from refs this year with var although that’s a different topic. As a fanbase it’s really sad the stance we’re taking on this. Painting ourselves as victims when in reality we’re the ones who are about to  ruin football even more.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...