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Does it matter where the money comes from?  

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  1. 1. Does it matter where the money comes from?

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The more I think of this the more I feel uneasy about it. I thought it was worth knowing a bit more about our bedfellows and tbh, it’s not great. I’m sure people have a greater depth on what has happened over time so won’t go there, but what I have read there isn’t any excusing and doesn’t sit well with me.

 

I really don’t know how I feel now. I’ve been desperate for so long for Ashley to leave and to have proper financial backing it has been anyone but Ashley, but now that’s happened I just wish it was someone else. RB & Staveley only would be great, and build up at a slower pace. But we don’t have a choice in who owns us, just what we as fans do next.

 

Can I tell myself PIF is not the royal family and is slightly removed? Can I hope no more atrocities and a new dawn for us and SA forgetting the past? Can I tell myself football shouldn’t have to deal with politics and not my problem? Do I hope they fail the test? Do I walk away?

 

I think the euphoria of getting rid of Ashley overlooked everything for some time. I was hoping to see what happens next before making a decision, now I just feel a little sick at the thought and guilty for still wanting more from the club.

 

 

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The more I think of this the more I feel uneasy about it. I thought it was worth knowing a bit more about our bedfellows and tbh, it’s not great. I’m sure people have a greater depth on what has happened over time so won’t go there, but what I have read there isn’t any excusing and doesn’t sit well with me.

 

I really don’t know how I feel now. I’ve been desperate for so long for Ashley to leave and to have proper financial backing it has been anyone but Ashley, but now that’s happened I just wish it was someone else. RB & Staveley only would be great, and build up at a slower pace. But we don’t have a choice in who owns us, just what we as fans do next.

 

Can I tell myself PIF is not the royal family and is slightly removed? Can I hope no more atrocities and a new dawn for us and SA forgetting the past? Can I tell myself football shouldn’t have to deal with politics and not my problem? Do I hope they fail the test? Do I walk away?

 

I think the euphoria of getting rid of Ashley overlooked everything for some time. I was hoping to see what happens next before making a decision, now I just feel a little sick at the thought and guilty for still wanting more from the club.

 

 

 

I would tell myself, thank god they chose us. Probably the only buyers around in this market, football is up in the air at the moment, we don't even know when or if next season will kick off. These are probably the only buyers who would have pushed through with a deal, everyone else has probably run a mile. So when you wish it was someone else, truth is there is no one else. Either make peace with it, or maybe come to the conclusion Ashley wasn't so bad after all.

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The more I think of this the more I feel uneasy about it. I thought it was worth knowing a bit more about our bedfellows and tbh, it’s not great. I’m sure people have a greater depth on what has happened over time so won’t go there, but what I have read there isn’t any excusing and doesn’t sit well with me.

 

I really don’t know how I feel now. I’ve been desperate for so long for Ashley to leave and to have proper financial backing it has been anyone but Ashley, but now that’s happened I just wish it was someone else. RB & Staveley only would be great, and build up at a slower pace. But we don’t have a choice in who owns us, just what we as fans do next.

 

Can I tell myself PIF is not the royal family and is slightly removed? Can I hope no more atrocities and a new dawn for us and SA forgetting the past? Can I tell myself football shouldn’t have to deal with politics and not my problem? Do I hope they fail the test? Do I walk away?

 

I think the euphoria of getting rid of Ashley overlooked everything for some time. I was hoping to see what happens next before making a decision, now I just feel a little sick at the thought and guilty for still wanting more from the club.

 

 

 

I would tell myself, thank god they chose us. Probably the only buyers around in this market, football is up in the air at the moment, we don't even know when or if next season will kick off. These are probably the only buyers who would have pushed through with a deal, everyone else has probably run a mile. So when you wish it was someone else, truth is there is no one else. Either make peace with it, or maybe come to the conclusion Ashley wasn't so bad after all.

 

That last point is ridiculous.  You can come to dozens of conclusions.

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I just really wish our fans, en masse, could give up on the 'whataboutery' and go into this with their eyes open.

 

Yes, we have no say over who our owners are.

 

Yes, it'll be great if we can enjoy supporting our club again.

 

However, just admit the fact that a lot of people justifiably have reservations about who our owners will be. Don't feel it necessary to argue the point or make pointless comparisons to either make yourself feel better or convince the world not to have reservations about who is buying us.

 

"Oh, but do you get Ubers? Or have you ever been in a vehicle that uses oil?" Bullshit and pointless arguments.

 

"Oh, but there are bad people who have bought other clubs!" Aye, there are, but we're about to be purchased by a kingdom who execute LGBTQ+ people and any peaceful activists contra the Kingdom. That's not to mention the more often mentioned journalist murdering, Yemen bombing and general suppression of women.

 

I just want people to stop trying to justify this. Open your eyes. We all want rid of Ashley, but just accept that those buying us deserve scrutiny and, the more our fans continue to justify or provide stupid counter-arguments, the more we as a fanbase deserve scrutiny as well.

 

 

 

 

 

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The more I think of this the more I feel uneasy about it. I thought it was worth knowing a bit more about our bedfellows and tbh, it’s not great. I’m sure people have a greater depth on what has happened over time so won’t go there, but what I have read there isn’t any excusing and doesn’t sit well with me.

 

I really don’t know how I feel now. I’ve been desperate for so long for Ashley to leave and to have proper financial backing it has been anyone but Ashley, but now that’s happened I just wish it was someone else. RB & Staveley only would be great, and build up at a slower pace. But we don’t have a choice in who owns us, just what we as fans do next.

 

Can I tell myself PIF is not the royal family and is slightly removed? Can I hope no more atrocities and a new dawn for us and SA forgetting the past? Can I tell myself football shouldn’t have to deal with politics and not my problem? Do I hope they fail the test? Do I walk away?

 

I think the euphoria of getting rid of Ashley overlooked everything for some time. I was hoping to see what happens next before making a decision, now I just feel a little sick at the thought and guilty for still wanting more from the club.

 

 

 

I would tell myself, thank god they chose us. Probably the only buyers around in this market, football is up in the air at the moment, we don't even know when or if next season will kick off. These are probably the only buyers who would have pushed through with a deal, everyone else has probably run a mile. So when you wish it was someone else, truth is there is no one else. Either make peace with it, or maybe come to the conclusion Ashley wasn't so bad after all.

 

That last point is ridiculous.  You can come to dozens of conclusions.

 

Yes but I said "maybe" come to that conclusion, you could always pick one of the other dozens if you prefer. But the central point remains, that there aren't going to be many buyers of football clubs in the present climate, it was probably only ever going to be a state backed investment group that would have taken the plunge. Whether you count that as good fortune or bad will depend on you, but Dokko was saying he wished it was someone else....how likely was that in the current world climate?

 

 

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I just really wish our fans, en masse, could give up on the 'whataboutery' and go into this with their eyes open.

 

Yes, we have no say over who our owners are.

 

Yes, it'll be great if we can enjoy supporting our club again.

 

However, just admit the fact that a lot of people justifiably have reservations about who our owners will be. Don't feel it necessary to argue the point or make pointless comparisons to either make yourself feel better or convince the world not to have reservations about who is buying us.

 

"Oh, but do you get Ubers? Or have you ever been in a vehicle that uses oil?" Bullshit and pointless arguments.

 

"Oh, but there are bad people who have bought other clubs!" Aye, there are, but we're about to be purchased by a kingdom who execute LGBTQ+ people and any peaceful activists contra the Kingdom. That's not to mention the more often mentioned journalist murdering, Yemen bombing and general suppression of women.

 

I just want people to stop trying to justify this. Open your eyes. We all want rid of Ashley, but just accept that those buying us deserve scrutiny and, the more our fans continue to justify or provide stupid counter-arguments, the more we as a fanbase deserve scrutiny as well.

 

Brilliant post

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I just really wish our fans, en masse, could give up on the 'whataboutery' and go into this with their eyes open.

 

Yes, we have no say over who our owners are.

 

Yes, it'll be great if we can enjoy supporting our club again.

 

However, just admit the fact that a lot of people justifiably have reservations about who our owners will be. Don't feel it necessary to argue the point or make pointless comparisons to either make yourself feel better or convince the world not to have reservations about who is buying us.

 

"Oh, but do you get Ubers? Or have you ever been in a vehicle that uses oil?" Bullshit and pointless arguments.

 

"Oh, but there are bad people who have bought other clubs!" Aye, there are, but we're about to be purchased by a kingdom who execute LGBTQ+ people and any peaceful activists contra the Kingdom. That's not to mention the more often mentioned journalist murdering, Yemen bombing and general suppression of women.

 

I just want people to stop trying to justify this. Open your eyes. We all want rid of Ashley, but just accept that those buying us deserve scrutiny and, the more our fans continue to justify or provide stupid counter-arguments, the more we as a fanbase deserve scrutiny as well.

 

Brilliant post

:thup: agreed.
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I just really wish our fans, en masse, could give up on the 'whataboutery' and go into this with their eyes open.

 

Yes, we have no say over who our owners are.

 

Yes, it'll be great if we can enjoy supporting our club again.

 

However, just admit the fact that a lot of people justifiably have reservations about who our owners will be. Don't feel it necessary to argue the point or make pointless comparisons to either make yourself feel better or convince the world not to have reservations about who is buying us.

 

"Oh, but do you get Ubers? Or have you ever been in a vehicle that uses oil?" Bullshit and pointless arguments.

 

"Oh, but there are bad people who have bought other clubs!" Aye, there are, but we're about to be purchased by a kingdom who execute LGBTQ+ people and any peaceful activists contra the Kingdom. That's not to mention the more often mentioned journalist murdering, Yemen bombing and general suppression of women.

 

I just want people to stop trying to justify this. Open your eyes. We all want rid of Ashley, but just accept that those buying us deserve scrutiny and, the more our fans continue to justify or provide stupid counter-arguments, the more we as a fanbase deserve scrutiny as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great post.  Only quibble is that I'm getting fed up of the term "whataboutery".  I understand that whataboutery can deflect from the underlying issues, but pointing out inconsistencies in people's analysis of a situation doesn't seem to me to irrelevant, yet now always appears to be dismissed as such.

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I just really wish our fans, en masse, could give up on the 'whataboutery' and go into this with their eyes open.

 

Yes, we have no say over who our owners are.

 

Yes, it'll be great if we can enjoy supporting our club again.

 

However, just admit the fact that a lot of people justifiably have reservations about who our owners will be. Don't feel it necessary to argue the point or make pointless comparisons to either make yourself feel better or convince the world not to have reservations about who is buying us.

 

"Oh, but do you get Ubers? Or have you ever been in a vehicle that uses oil?" Bullshit and pointless arguments.

 

"Oh, but there are bad people who have bought other clubs!" Aye, there are, but we're about to be purchased by a kingdom who execute LGBTQ+ people and any peaceful activists contra the Kingdom. That's not to mention the more often mentioned journalist murdering, Yemen bombing and general suppression of women.

 

I just want people to stop trying to justify this. Open your eyes. We all want rid of Ashley, but just accept that those buying us deserve scrutiny and, the more our fans continue to justify or provide stupid counter-arguments, the more we as a fanbase deserve scrutiny as well.

 

 

 

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Can't believe I read this "A Saudi takeover of a leading English football club looks set to go ahead because Premier League rules prohibit minor criminal offenders from ownership, but do not require any scrutiny of those accused of being war criminals, human rights abusers or murderers"

  :yikes:

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