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It’s very sensible not to want us to be owned by Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately we don’t have another option and we have no power.

 

I agree, which is why its not sensible IMO to not want the takeover because you don't want to be owed by Saudi Arabia.  No bother if people don't want to have Saudi money in the club, but to want to pass this takeover up and stay with Ashley for god knows how much longer?

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/16/newcastle-takeover-latest-saudi-arabia-tv-piracy-ruling-released-by-wto-premier-league-pressure

 

The WTO report states the evidence it has seen supports Qatar’s assertions that: “a) beoutQ’s piracy was promoted by prominent Saudi nationals, (b) beoutQ targets the Saudi market, © beoutQ’s pirate broadcasts are transmitted via Arabsat satellite frequencies, and (d) beoutQ has received assistance from a Saudi content distributor in delivering its pirated broadcasts to Saudi consumers.

 

“Taking these conclusions together, and recalling the applicable standard of proof and evidentiary principles in WTO dispute settlement, the Panel considers that Qatar has established a prima facie case that beoutQ is operated by individuals or entities subject to the criminal jurisdiction of Saudi Arabia,” it adds.

 

"The World Trade Organisation has ruled that Saudi Arabia was behind a pirate satellite TV and streaming service that illegally broadcast sporting events"

 

But they haven't though, have they? They've established that Saudi Arabia didn't do enough to stop it, not that SA was behind the illegal broadcasts.

 

The same people would be complaining if the Saudis had caught those behind beoutQ and chopped their arms off (or whatever they do to pirates over there). Can't win.

but the premier league wouldn't give half a s*** and would have rubber stamped the takeover months ago

 

You don’t want this takeover to go through do you, now you’re straw clutching.

quite frankly I would rather almost anyone else be trying to buy the club preferably someone without one of the worst human rights records in the world

 

Careful now with that sensible opinion.

 

Sensible?  To see the club destroyed for 12 years and then think "whey I'm not sure I like these new owners lets wait it out and see if better come along".

 

It's obviously a very sensible opinion. In a rational world people dying due to a horrendous regime "should" be more important than a football club. However, sport and football especially is tribal and is more important than anything else to a lot of people so it is also understandable that people will care more about that than human rights issues in a faraway country

 

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/16/newcastle-takeover-latest-saudi-arabia-tv-piracy-ruling-released-by-wto-premier-league-pressure

 

The WTO report states the evidence it has seen supports Qatar’s assertions that: “a) beoutQ’s piracy was promoted by prominent Saudi nationals, (b) beoutQ targets the Saudi market, © beoutQ’s pirate broadcasts are transmitted via Arabsat satellite frequencies, and (d) beoutQ has received assistance from a Saudi content distributor in delivering its pirated broadcasts to Saudi consumers.

 

“Taking these conclusions together, and recalling the applicable standard of proof and evidentiary principles in WTO dispute settlement, the Panel considers that Qatar has established a prima facie case that beoutQ is operated by individuals or entities subject to the criminal jurisdiction of Saudi Arabia,” it adds.

 

"The World Trade Organisation has ruled that Saudi Arabia was behind a pirate satellite TV and streaming service that illegally broadcast sporting events"

 

But they haven't though, have they? They've established that Saudi Arabia didn't do enough to stop it, not that SA was behind the illegal broadcasts.

 

The same people would be complaining if the Saudis had caught those behind beoutQ and chopped their arms off (or whatever they do to pirates over there). Can't win.

but the premier league wouldn't give half a shit and would have rubber stamped the takeover months ago

 

You don’t want this takeover to go through do you, now you’re straw clutching.

quite frankly I would rather almost anyone else be trying to buy the club preferably someone without one of the worst human rights records in the world

 

Have you killed anyone sir? "no"

Pirated any football matches? "no"

 

Congratulations Mr Glitter, your application is successful. Welcome aboard.

 

 

As if Up the Glitter has never illegally streamed Young Boys playing

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The WTO report states the evidence it has seen supports Qatar’s assertions that: “a) beoutQ’s piracy was promoted by prominent Saudi nationals, (b) beoutQ targets the Saudi market, © beoutQ’s pirate broadcasts are transmitted via Arabsat satellite frequencies, and (d) beoutQ has received assistance from a Saudi content distributor in delivering its pirated broadcasts to Saudi consumers.

 

“Taking these conclusions together, and recalling the applicable standard of proof and evidentiary principles in WTO dispute settlement, the Panel considers that Qatar has established a prima facie case that beoutQ is operated by individuals or entities subject to the criminal jurisdiction of Saudi Arabia,” it adds.

 

"The World Trade Organisation has ruled that Saudi Arabia was behind a pirate satellite TV and streaming service that illegally broadcast sporting events"

 

But they haven't though, have they? They've established that Saudi Arabia didn't do enough to stop it, not that SA was behind the illegal broadcasts.

 

The same people would be complaining if the Saudis had caught those behind beoutQ and chopped their arms off (or whatever they do to pirates over there). Can't win.

but the premier league wouldn't give half a s*** and would have rubber stamped the takeover months ago

 

You don’t want this takeover to go through do you, now you’re straw clutching.

quite frankly I would rather almost anyone else be trying to buy the club preferably someone without one of the worst human rights records in the world

 

Careful now with that sensible opinion.

 

Sensible?  To see the club destroyed for 12 years and then think "whey I'm not sure I like these new owners lets wait it out and see if better come along".

 

It's obviously a very sensible opinion. In a rational world people dying due to a horrendous regime "should" be more important than a football club. However, sport and football especially is tribal and is more important than anything else to a lot of people so it is also understandable that people will care more about that than human rights issues in a faraway country

 

 

 

From my perspective the club isn't worth supporting under Mike Ashley.  That's why I don't see it as a option to take or leave any change of ownership.  If I could choose the owners, I'd choose just Stavely and the Ruebens alone, even if it meant a club that wasn't super rich and just slowly built competitively, but I can't choose.  I'm not going to entertain the fantasy that we can just turn down a takeover and along will come another.

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/16/newcastle-takeover-latest-saudi-arabia-tv-piracy-ruling-released-by-wto-premier-league-pressure

 

The WTO report states the evidence it has seen supports Qatar’s assertions that: “a) beoutQ’s piracy was promoted by prominent Saudi nationals, (b) beoutQ targets the Saudi market, © beoutQ’s pirate broadcasts are transmitted via Arabsat satellite frequencies, and (d) beoutQ has received assistance from a Saudi content distributor in delivering its pirated broadcasts to Saudi consumers.

 

“Taking these conclusions together, and recalling the applicable standard of proof and evidentiary principles in WTO dispute settlement, the Panel considers that Qatar has established a prima facie case that beoutQ is operated by individuals or entities subject to the criminal jurisdiction of Saudi Arabia,” it adds.

 

"The World Trade Organisation has ruled that Saudi Arabia was behind a pirate satellite TV and streaming service that illegally broadcast sporting events"

 

But they haven't though, have they? They've established that Saudi Arabia didn't do enough to stop it, not that SA was behind the illegal broadcasts.

 

The same people would be complaining if the Saudis had caught those behind beoutQ and chopped their arms off (or whatever they do to pirates over there). Can't win.

but the premier league wouldn't give half a s*** and would have rubber stamped the takeover months ago

 

You don’t want this takeover to go through do you, now you’re straw clutching.

quite frankly I would rather almost anyone else be trying to buy the club preferably someone without one of the worst human rights records in the world

 

Careful now with that sensible opinion.

 

Sensible?  To see the club destroyed for 12 years and then think "whey I'm not sure I like these new owners lets wait it out and see if better come along".

 

It's obviously a very sensible opinion. In a rational world people dying due to a horrendous regime "should" be more important than a football club. However, sport and football especially is tribal and is more important than anything else to a lot of people so it is also understandable that people will care more about that than human rights issues in a faraway country

 

 

 

From my perspective the club isn't worth supporting under Mike Ashley.  That's why I don't see it as a option to take or leave any change of ownership.  If I could choose the owners, I'd choose just Stavely and the Ruebens alone, even if it meant a club that wasn't super rich and just slowly built competitively, but I can't choose.  I'm not going to entertain the fantasy that we can just turn down a takeover and along will come another.

 

Agree - all my future feelings of support for the club are pretty much centred upon new owners being in place that believe we can achieve something

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Don’t think it says anywhere in that WTO report that KSA as a state facilitated the piracy. Significant persons yes but not the ‘state’ and certainly not PIF

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This line from the BBC report doesn't make great reading mind:

 

"But in its judgement, issued on Tuesday, the WTO found that Saudi Arabia had facilitated the beoutQ operation and had "acted in a manner inconsistent" with international law protecting intellectual property rights."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53068494

 

It's nowt as far as the takeover is concerned. 

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/16/newcastle-takeover-latest-saudi-arabia-tv-piracy-ruling-released-by-wto-premier-league-pressure

 

The WTO report states the evidence it has seen supports Qatar’s assertions that: “a) beoutQ’s piracy was promoted by prominent Saudi nationals, (b) beoutQ targets the Saudi market, © beoutQ’s pirate broadcasts are transmitted via Arabsat satellite frequencies, and (d) beoutQ has received assistance from a Saudi content distributor in delivering its pirated broadcasts to Saudi consumers.

 

“Taking these conclusions together, and recalling the applicable standard of proof and evidentiary principles in WTO dispute settlement, the Panel considers that Qatar has established a prima facie case that beoutQ is operated by individuals or entities subject to the criminal jurisdiction of Saudi Arabia,” it adds.

 

"The World Trade Organisation has ruled that Saudi Arabia was behind a pirate satellite TV and streaming service that illegally broadcast sporting events"

 

But they haven't though, have they? They've established that Saudi Arabia didn't do enough to stop it, not that SA was behind the illegal broadcasts.

 

The same people would be complaining if the Saudis had caught those behind beoutQ and chopped their arms off (or whatever they do to pirates over there). Can't win.

but the premier league wouldn't give half a s*** and would have rubber stamped the takeover months ago

 

You don’t want this takeover to go through do you, now you’re straw clutching.

quite frankly I would rather almost anyone else be trying to buy the club preferably someone without one of the worst human rights records in the world

 

Careful now with that sensible opinion.

 

Sensible?  To see the club destroyed for 12 years and then think "whey I'm not sure I like these new owners lets wait it out and see if better come along".

 

It's obviously a very sensible opinion. In a rational world people dying due to a horrendous regime "should" be more important than a football club. However, sport and football especially is tribal and is more important than anything else to a lot of people so it is also understandable that people will care more about that than human rights issues in a faraway country

 

 

 

From my perspective the club isn't worth supporting under Mike Ashley.  That's why I don't see it as a option to take or leave any change of ownership.  If I could choose the owners, I'd choose just Stavely and the Ruebens alone, even if it meant a club that wasn't super rich and just slowly built competitively, but I can't choose.  I'm not going to entertain the fantasy that we can just turn down a takeover and along will come another.

 

:thup: That's fine but it's also sensible if other people disagree with that

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This line from the BBC report doesn't make great reading mind:

 

"But in its judgement, issued on Tuesday, the WTO found that Saudi Arabia had facilitated the beoutQ operation and had "acted in a manner inconsistent" with international law protecting intellectual property rights."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53068494

 

Yeah and a BBC journo deleted his tweet this morning because he was talking shite.

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One of these is talking BS, and I know who I'm inclined to believe. :lol:

 

(Tin hat on) To me they are both saying the same thing and what the BBC are reporting also...(?)

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One of these is talking BS, and I know who I'm inclined to believe. :lol:

 

(Tin hat on) To me they are both saying the same thing and what the BBC are reporting also...(?)

 

Edwards says Saudi State which is incorrect.

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This line from the BBC report doesn't make great reading mind:

 

"But in its judgement, issued on Tuesday, the WTO found that Saudi Arabia had facilitated the beoutQ operation and had "acted in a manner inconsistent" with international law protecting intellectual property rights."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53068494

 

Again, it doesn’t say that in the WTO report. I’ve found the bbc journos to be way off on this story over the last few weeks.

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/16/newcastle-takeover-latest-saudi-arabia-tv-piracy-ruling-released-by-wto-premier-league-pressure

 

The WTO report states the evidence it has seen supports Qatar’s assertions that: “a) beoutQ’s piracy was promoted by prominent Saudi nationals, (b) beoutQ targets the Saudi market, © beoutQ’s pirate broadcasts are transmitted via Arabsat satellite frequencies, and (d) beoutQ has received assistance from a Saudi content distributor in delivering its pirated broadcasts to Saudi consumers.

 

“Taking these conclusions together, and recalling the applicable standard of proof and evidentiary principles in WTO dispute settlement, the Panel considers that Qatar has established a prima facie case that beoutQ is operated by individuals or entities subject to the criminal jurisdiction of Saudi Arabia,” it adds.

 

"The World Trade Organisation has ruled that Saudi Arabia was behind a pirate satellite TV and streaming service that illegally broadcast sporting events"

 

But they haven't though, have they? They've established that Saudi Arabia didn't do enough to stop it, not that SA was behind the illegal broadcasts.

 

The same people would be complaining if the Saudis had caught those behind beoutQ and chopped their arms off (or whatever they do to pirates over there). Can't win.

but the premier league wouldn't give half a shit and would have rubber stamped the takeover months ago

 

You don’t want this takeover to go through do you, now you’re straw clutching.

quite frankly I would rather almost anyone else be trying to buy the club preferably someone without one of the worst human rights records in the world

 

If you were really being frank, you would admit that you'd rather stick with Ashley than be taken over by a partnership funded by SA.

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Spin by the BBC I think.

 

From what's been reported it looks like no-one involved in the takeover is directly linked or named. The obvious result as requested in the report is for Saudi Arabia to buckle down on piracy which is as easy as them committing to the PL likely followed by bidding for premier league rights.

 

This is an easy hurdle to overcome than the moral issues. There wont be any way to really address the latter either. All in all this should move forward now.

 

I do think we will be waiting another week or two to let the report settle and premier league games to resume. Hopefully not.

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Spin by the BBC I think.

 

From what's been reported it looks like no-one involved in the takeover is directly linked or named. The obvious result as requested in the report is for Saudi Arabia to buckle down on piracy which is as easy as them committing to the PL likely followed by bidding for premier league rights.

 

This is an easy hurdle to overcome than the moral issues. There wont be any way to really address the latter either. All in all this should move forward now.

 

I do think we will be waiting another week or two to let the report settle and premier league games to resume. Hopefully not.

 

If that's spin, at least it's positive spin.

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Spin by the BBC I think.

 

From what's been reported it looks like no-one involved in the takeover is directly linked or named. The obvious result as requested in the report is for Saudi Arabia to buckle down on piracy which is as easy as them committing to the PL likely followed by bidding for premier league rights.

 

This is an easy hurdle to overcome than the moral issues. There wont be any way to really address the latter either. All in all this should move forward now.

 

I do think we will be waiting another week or two to let the report settle and premier league games to resume. Hopefully not.

 

There’s clearly been plenty of discussion about the piracy and how it’s might be address but it doesn’t sound like it’s enough to stop the takeover. That’s obviously just a wild guess though ?‍♂️

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One of these is talking BS, and I know who I'm inclined to believe. :lol:

 

(Tin hat on) To me they are both saying the same thing and what the BBC are reporting also...(?)

 

Edwards says Saudi State which is incorrect.

 

Got you :thup:

 

So instead of the “government/state” its just claimed people “within” SA.

 

No expert but that should seal the deal if nothing more to reveal... Like the people “within” the SA are the same people buying us but actually named.

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One of these is talking BS, and I know who I'm inclined to believe. :lol:

People within the UK use illegal streams, it’s difficult to prevent.

(Tin hat on) To me they are both saying the same thing and what the BBC are reporting also...(?)

 

Edwards says Saudi State which is incorrect.

 

Got you :thup:

 

So instead of the “government” its just claimed people “within” SA.

 

No expert but that should seal the deal if nothing more to reveal... Like the people “within” the SA are the same people buying us but actually named.

 

People in the UK use illegal streams, it’s difficult to prevent.

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