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nufcjmc

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1 hour ago, M1tche said:

I still think we get more than we paid, as he's now proven he's a decent level premier league player. Unfortunately he's dropping into the group of players you'd accept letting get to help fund improvements. 

If he's an attacking midfielder or a winger  since his loan in 2021 he's yet to beat his goals total from that one loan spell combined the other seasons that followed.

 

He's 26 next summer and entering his supposed prime years but can't stay fit can't impact the game enough and has never hit the heights of his loan spell with us despite much better manager and players around him. 

 

As I say don't want to sound negative off the back of the win but he feels like so many "nearly men" never kicked on from early promise. I want to be proven wrong but right now we're not getting back the 25m plus whatever the loan fee or so we spent on him he's a gamble sort of player for any potential buyer may kick on being the main man somewhere or never quiet regardless where he goes.

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I think he needs a run of games to get going, we've seen before what an asset he is for us

 

The challenge is that his body seems fragile and is constantly picking up knocks which doesn't allow him to build that rhythm

 

If his body isn't up to it then I wouldn't mind us signing someone of his profile (though I'd much sooner have a top class 10 to go alongside Tonali and Bruno)

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Jesus Christ some of you are relentless at seeking out negativity.

 

Sure he was probably the quietest of our players today, and it was surprising as I thought this sort of game would suit him, but give the lad a break he's not really started for awhile and it was only a few days ago he came in at halftime and looked bright. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, alexf said:

Jesus Christ some of you are relentless at seeking out negativity.

 

Sure he was probably the quietest of our players today, and it was surprising as I thought this sort of game would suit him, but give the lad a break he's not really started for awhile and it was only a few days ago he came in at halftime and looked bright. 

 

 

I want to give him the break but he's an attacking midfielder with 6 goals in 86 appearances. He's obviously a lower standard to bruno and tonali and can't help but appear a weak link. He's quality is running with the ball and carrying us up the pitch both of which hall and Gordon do already. He's not physical like big joe and can't do the defensive or combative stuff as its clearly not his game.

Our midfield has been upgraded and through no fault of his own our team is going to develop past the need for him.

As I say in a none psr world he can do a job in the midfield and wing and can work as a good squad addition on his day he can be a real asset. But in a psr world I don't think he contributes enough that his sale couldn't contribute to someone better the injuries have obviously falted his momentum and who knows if he will ever recover the edge or spark that's gone missing. 

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how about give the lad the rest of the season to see if he can hit his form again after such a lengthy lay off? then cut him if not.. 22/23 season he had 3 goals and 6 assists.. and was outstanding at carrying the ball and creating shit, part of the reason we finished where we did in champions league spot 

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Such a strange player. Passing was loose. Put a chance in the top tier when it looked easier to hit the target. The turf monster got him when Isak played him clean through one on one. 
 

But even in saying all that. We do often look better with him in the team. He is rapid and his movement off the ball is great. Isak and him were often dropping off and then looking to go in behind. Ipswich were pulled all over the place. 

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10 hours ago, nufcjmc said:

I want to give him the break but he's an attacking midfielder with 6 goals in 86 appearances. He's obviously a lower standard to bruno and tonali and can't help but appear a weak link. He's quality is running with the ball and carrying us up the pitch both of which hall and Gordon do already. He's not physical like big joe and can't do the defensive or combative stuff as its clearly not his game.

Our midfield has been upgraded and through no fault of his own our team is going to develop past the need for him.

As I say in a none psr world he can do a job in the midfield and wing and can work as a good squad addition on his day he can be a real asset. But in a psr world I don't think he contributes enough that his sale couldn't contribute to someone better the injuries have obviously falted his momentum and who knows if he will ever recover the edge or spark that's gone missing. 

I'm sure he's scored 14 goals for Newcastle.

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2 hours ago, Rod said:

I'm sure he's scored 14 goals for Newcastle.

Think I mentioned in one of the follow up posts we had him on loan where he scored 8 goals in 14 (now very much showing as a one off purple patch) we signed him and since signing he has then went on to score 8 goals in 86 appearances. Which i don't think is good enough when his qualities are in the side already ie carrying the ball forward and pace which we get from hall and Gordon already and can't offer the finishing of Barnes or the defensive game of big joe. 

 

Without shifting it to a was it a good idea to get Barnes if willock was the back up to Gordon fine but right now he's not ahead of the main 3 and 3rd on the list for the left wing. Due to psr issues I would sell in a heartbeat just don't think at the probably 30m plus we would want we would get many takers. 

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22 hours ago, Menace said:

That chance.. a goal would've done him the world of good man.

 

 

Think we've seen too many of those now, it gets to a point where you start to think he just lacks a touch of composure in general, and it's not a confidence thing.

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M1tche

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We've seen him be class, let's not pretend any different. Very few players can produce moments like the pass to Isak in the crazy Tottenham match, the goal away to Man U, the run for the winner against Leicester. Keep him fit, build him back up, and we'll see him be class again. 

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Main thing is just getting himself consistently fit and more robust. 

 

Fine line between fickle and realist, but at this point it's easy to veer towards the idea he will never be fit long enough to find top form.

 

I do think they are handling him well right now and he will benefit from it. Helps having our midfielders all fit currently. I'd still sell him for a decent offer but could also see him clicking again and making the naysayers like myself look silly!

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On 21/12/2024 at 18:28, M1tche said:

I still think we get more than we paid, as he's now proven he's a decent level premier league player. Unfortunately he's dropping into the group of players you'd accept letting get to help fund improvements. 

It's he's happy to stay I'd be happy to keep him. We all know we need depth in the squad. If he goes it'll cost whatever we get to replace him.

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