r0cafella Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said: Starting to agree. I love the bloke and his qualities suit this team, for sure. But he hasn't been anywhere near his best for a while now and I also think/hope we might be trying to progress and evolve tactically. So that we need a bit more than just runners in the side. If we are looking for another midfielder or two. Then you'd imagine Longstaff and/or Willock will be on their way. Yeah, I like him too he's very talented imo but his injury issues as well and inconsistency are issues. He will also have 2 years left I think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: He was on for 15 minutes when we were defending a 1 nil lead. I swear to god man So other than Birmingham in the cup has he done a great deal to be pushing for more time than cameo appearances? I had him in my list of players to go to allow reinvestment despite being less injured this season he's showing me nothing to warrant a run in the side. Might have been different for a few of our fringe players with Europe and the need to rotate more but just not seeing the player from the Champions league qualifying season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Not focussed on the summer atm. Every game this season is absolutely massive. This is a pivotal season and could be our best ever. Atm Joe is an option off the bench and no more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: He was on for 15 minutes when we were defending a 1 nil lead. I swear to god man Agree not a long time on the pitch. Still - people seem unanimous that Wilson has been pap in small cameos and I can't disagree. Same is true of Willock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 10 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: He was on for 15 minutes when we were defending a 1 nil lead. I swear to god man Yes. Everyone is basing their opinion on him from those 15 minutes last night Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, nufcjmc said: So other than Birmingham in the cup has he done a great deal to be pushing for more time than cameo appearances? I had him in my list of players to go to allow reinvestment despite being less injured this season he's showing me nothing to warrant a run in the side. Might have been different for a few of our fringe players with Europe and the need to rotate more but just not seeing the player from the Champions league qualifying season. Yeah, he was also the only player playing with any real sense of urgency against Brighton. Willock has always been a player who grows into matches, just as Barnes is a player who tends to suit coming off the bench, and his starting game time has been really limited because of injury. Since his most recent injury he's only started against Birmingham away, Man City away, Forest home, Liverpool away. It's been a very stop-start season for him, but I think he's a brilliant asset that shouldn't be discarded on what feels like very little in comparison to what we've seen from him long-term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Yes. Everyone is basing their opinion on him from those 15 minutes last night It's unequivocal. Quote his cameo prevented any chance he had of starting on Sunday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Yeah, he was also the only player playing with any real sense of urgency against Brighton. Willock has always been a player who grows into matches, just as Barnes is a player who tends to suit coming off the bench, and his starting game time has been really limited because of injury. Since his most recent injury he's only started against Birmingham away, Man City away, Forest home, Liverpool away. It's been a very stop-start season for him, but I think he's a brilliant asset that shouldn't be discarded on what feels like very little in comparison to what we've seen from him long-term. Cant quite agree with you when you use brilliant to describe him. Agree we need a squad, we need an option from the bench etc. In a non PSR world I would say great age, behind others so don't need him to show up week on week and would suit certain games etc. The lack of europe and how good the others are at staying fit have meant we can't offer these players the run of games they maybe need. The side are also evolving and you need to step up or be left behind as longstaff has found this season. Biggest issue for me is 30m sitting on the bench week in week out who spends alot of time out on the treatment table. For that "investment " he's not been good value and if we could get 25m for him i would snap your hands off. All very what if really. While Eddie clearly has his favs and persists with them the likes of Barnes and willock are simply not doing enough to make the decision harder. When everyone is fit the team right now picks itself I feel. Looking forward to futher in the journey when there are tougher calls to make. Edited March 11 by nufcjmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 He's got Fulham in the summer with all the ex Arsenal boys all over him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, nufcjmc said: Cant quite agree with you when you use brilliant to describe him. Agree we need a squad, we need an option from the bench etc. In a non PSR world I would say great age, behind others so don't need him to show up week on week and would suit certain games etc. The lack of europe and how good the others are at staying fit have meant we can't offer these players the run of games they maybe need. The side are also evolving and you need to step up or be left behind as longstaff has found this season. Biggest issue for me is 30m sitting on the bench week in week out who spends alot of time out on the treatment table. For that "investment " he's not been good value and if we could get 25m for him i would snap your hands off. All very what if really. While Eddie clearly has his favs and persists with them the likes of Barnes and willock are simply not doing enough to make the decision harder. When everyone is fit the team right now picks itself I feel. Looking forward to futher in the journey when there are tougher calls to make. Each to their own, but I've said it before and I'll say it again - being a player who isn't in the starting XI isn't necessarily a bad thing, I think Barnes has exemplified that. Willock in 22/23 was imo as crucial as anyone to our success. His ability to break, get us up the pitch, pick a pass, dovetail with Joelinton, and create/finish chances was so important. I'm not trying to claim he's been great this season or anything, I'm just not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Imo he's always been our most underrated player, even when he was at his best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 It’s his style that is difficult for me. Not tidy and technical enough to be a CM really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 33 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: It's unequivocal. Ah yeah. That's nonsense But TBF, he has been bad well below par for a while. So despite me expecting him to start last night and the final. I can't see it now. Howe went with Barnes and then when Willock came on, he looked like how our subs often tend to look. Nowhere near what is expected and a couple of times he appeared to just give up tracking back after getting beat or not receiving the ball from a pass. Very unlike him and shit to see. As someone said in the match thread. You can see why Howe is often reluctant to make changes, even when we're dead on our feet. As the subs that come on are often so far off the level required and rarely seem to get up to speed with the pace of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 26 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Ah yeah. That's nonsense But TBF, he has been bad well below par for a while. So despite me expecting him to start last night and the final. I can't see it now. Howe went with Barnes and then when Willock came on, he looked like how our subs often tend to look. Nowhere near what is expected and a couple of times he appeared to just give up tracking back after getting beat or not receiving the ball from a pass. Very unlike him and shit to see. As someone said in the match thread. You can see why Howe is often reluctant to make changes, even when we're dead on our feet. As the subs that come on are often so far off the level required and rarely seem to get up to speed with the pace of the game. Yeah, no denying he's been below par, guess it just depends on the reasons each person has for why that's happened. It's a tricky one for the final, Gordon has had TAA on toast a couple of time and when we played them a couple of weeks ago he handled Willock no problem. But then Barnes is more of a one-two merchant than a dribbler, so I'm not sure if he'd be any good either. Then you've got to think about the defensive side of things too, with Willock and Joelinton both probably being the better choices for looking after that side, Willock and Joelinton's partnership vs Barnes and Joelinton's, and then there's the limited impact Willock has off the bench vs Barnes' record for doing well off the bench, it's a difficult one because if you start Barnes and he doesn't perform, you're more or less cementing the left hand-side as a failure for the full match imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said: Ah yeah. That's nonsense But TBF, he has been bad well below par for a while. So despite me expecting him to start last night and the final. I can't see it now. Howe went with Barnes and then when Willock came on, he looked like how our subs often tend to look. Nowhere near what is expected and a couple of times he appeared to just give up tracking back after getting beat or not receiving the ball from a pass. Very unlike him and shit to see. As someone said in the match thread. You can see why Howe is often reluctant to make changes, even when we're dead on our feet. As the subs that come on are often so far off the level required and rarely seem to get up to speed with the pace of the game. Don't think there's a whole lot in it for me as to who starts on Sunday. I'm already on record as saying I would go with sheer end product so it would be Barnes for me, and that was borne out last night when one dangerous cross won the match. It might even have been you who said Barnes didn't offer enough defensive cover whereas the Willock/Joelinton combo would provide a bit more insurance. I can understand that argument as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Sneaky feeling he starts today to help shut down Salah. Next to zero options off the bench if Barnes starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 And it would be a mistake imo. We need potency on the break, and Willock certainly does not offer that, Barnes does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 I get the comfort blanket of having Barnes on the bench, but if we think he is one of our best chances of scoring a decisive goal, then he has to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Did so well running down the time at the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, nufc123 said: Did so well running down the time at the end. He did. Came on and played his part and deserves every bit of that winners medal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 I was waiting for him to come on when we were looking tired, a fit and ready Willock is just who you need on against tired legs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 As a certified Willock lover I was absolutely delighted with the work he did towards the end like. Him, Wilson, and Sandro shithousing masterclass Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Tune!! Can see Paully there too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 10 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: As a certified Willock lover I was absolutely delighted with the work he did towards the end like. Him, Wilson, and Sandro shithousing masterclass When Sandro took over in the corner just rolling his foot around the top of the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 His cameo was excellent, really what we needed at the end of the game. Is that song with the old South park theme? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 7 hours ago, Aiston said: His cameo was excellent, really what we needed at the end of the game. Is that song with the old South park theme? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7tr_H6jBEiE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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