AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 In a way that's an example of why we probably won't go down. Teams like Wigan play nice football but when it counts they still usually get beat. Good point, that never happens to us. Course it does, but luckily we're a few points ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 In a way that's an example of why we probably won't go down. Teams like Wigan play nice football but when it counts they still usually get beat. Good point, that never happens to us. Course it does, but luckily we're a few points ahead. So then the only difference is the fact that we're a couple of points ahead which can easily vanish with teams below chalking up a few points. Whilst I'm silently optimistic, unless we get one more win, we are far from being safe and if ever will escape by the skin of our teeth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I didn't say we were safe, I said that was a reason why we probably won't go down. Obviously our lead can vanish, but my whole point was that they are just as unlikely to pick up points as we are (if not more). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I didn't say we were safe, I said that was a reason why we probably won't go down. Obviously our lead can vanish, but my whole point was that they are just as unlikely to pick up points as we are (if not more). Wigan might go down, they may also stay up like they've repeatedly done in the recent past while the only time we've been in this position we've folded. We don't win away from home and we have 2 remaining home games against teams who could expect to beat us. What we have going for us is that Wigan have a distraction and might suffer for that. Anybody who thinks we are currently safe needs medical help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 As I said, I don't think we're safe. But we don't just need Wigan to outscore us, we need every team below us to do the same. Apparently nobody has ever gone down from where we are now, so obviously when we folded it wasn't from this position. I'm obviously worried though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 As I said, I don't think we're safe. But we don't just need Wigan to outscore us, we need every team below us to do the same. Apparently nobody has ever gone down from where we are now, so obviously when we folded it wasn't from this position. I'm obviously worried though. Norwich, Stoke and the mackems are 1 win from going above us, Villa are one big win and one heavy defeat for us from going above us so any of those teams could easily go above. Wigan are two wins away from us but they still have a game in hand and they should still win games if they play like they did last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 As I said, I don't think we're safe. But we don't just need Wigan to outscore us, we need every team below us to do the same. Apparently nobody has ever gone down from where we are now, so obviously when we folded it wasn't from this position. I'm obviously worried though. Norwich, Stoke and the mackems are 1 win from going above us, Villa are one big win and one heavy defeat for us from going above us so any of those teams could easily go above. Wigan are two wins away from us but they still have a game in hand and they should still win games if they play like they did last night. I know all that, it doesn't change my argument. The whole point is that all of those things you mention would have to happen simultaneously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Posted this in another thread. Teams below us: Norwich (still to play Stoke and Villa) Sunderland (still to play Stoke and Villa) Stoke (still to play Norwich and Sunderland) Villa (still to play Norwich, Sunderland and Wigan) Wigan (still to play Villa) The points dropped there will save us, even if we don't win another game. They can't all win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I did the BBC predictor and had us stay up, despite only getting 1 more point! We're lucky there's so many games between those around us - they cant both win! Stoke vs Norwich Aston Villa vs Sunderland Norwich vs Aston Villa Sunderland vs Stoke Sunderland vs Southampton Southampton vs Stoke Wigan vs Aston Villa This as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Villa and Wigan have the toughest run-ins but also the best form. Stoke have winnable games but are in a mess - their game at QPR this weekend is crucial, if they lose that I can't see them winning another game. Even being quite pessimistic on other teams' results I have 38 points as enough to stay up, so we just need to grab a couple of draws.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I did the BBC predictor and had us stay up, despite only getting 1 more point! We're lucky there's so many games between those around us - they cant both win! Stoke vs Norwich Aston Villa vs Sunderland Norwich vs Aston Villa Sunderland vs Stoke Sunderland vs Southampton Southampton vs Stoke Wigan vs Aston Villa This as well. I know it's unlikely but award all home wins and we're 2 points above Wigan if we don't pick up any more points, I still think we will need points before we can stop looking over our shoulders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Villa and Wigan have the toughest run-ins but also the best form. Stoke have winnable games but are in a mess - their game at QPR this weekend is crucial, if they lose that I can't see them winning another game. Even being quite pessimistic on other teams' results I have 38 points as enough to stay up, so we just need to grab a couple of draws.... The problem is, it's difficult to find where those two draws will come from. Our last two home games are against teams who have been in as good form as anyone over recent weeks and are both regarded as "big teams". Away from home we are pushovers, our away form is pathetic and embarrassing. The games against WBA, West ham and QPR are all fixtures our squad of players should be targeting something from, but with our clueless manager and the way we play away from home, those games look like write offs. All the other teams at the bottom have games they look likely to win and most of the teams directly below us seem to be showing signs of a fight Sunderland, Wigan and Villa. While Stoke and Norwich both have much easier home games than we do and you would expect them to push past 36 points. I honestly can see us not gaining another point all season and we'll be down with that kind of form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Villa and Wigan have the toughest run-ins but also the best form. Stoke have winnable games but are in a mess - their game at QPR this weekend is crucial, if they lose that I can't see them winning another game. Even being quite pessimistic on other teams' results I have 38 points as enough to stay up, so we just need to grab a couple of draws.... I can see QPR beating Stoke at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 All the other teams at the bottom have games they look likely to win and most of the teams directly below us seem to be showing signs of a fight Sunderland, Wigan and Villa. While Stoke and Norwich both have much easier home games than we do and you would expect them to push past 36 points. Would you expect all of those things to happen together though? And would you have said before Sunderland that it was the only game we had a chance of getting points in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Villa and Wigan have the toughest run-ins but also the best form. Stoke have winnable games but are in a mess - their game at QPR this weekend is crucial, if they lose that I can't see them winning another game. Even being quite pessimistic on other teams' results I have 38 points as enough to stay up, so we just need to grab a couple of draws.... The problem is, it's difficult to find where those two draws will come from. Our last two home games are against teams who have been in as good form as anyone over recent weeks and are both regarded as "big teams". Away from home we are pushovers, our away form is pathetic and embarrassing. The games against WBA, West ham and QPR are all fixtures our squad of players should be targeting something from, but with our clueless manager and the way we play away from home, those games look like write offs. All the other teams at the bottom have games they look likely to win and most of the teams directly below us seem to be showing signs of a fight Sunderland, Wigan and Villa. While Stoke and Norwich both have much easier home games than we do and you would expect them to push past 36 points. I honestly can see us not gaining another point all season and we'll be down with that kind of form. If our form is so terrible you can't see us gaining another point then I don't think its reasonable to think all the teams around us are likely to pick them up either. Stoke have 1 point from their last 6 games home and away, that's 4 times worse then our away form! (6 times worse than our form home and away). Stokes home form is only marginally better than our away form, 5 points from Stokes last 6 home games while we have 4 points from our last 6 away. So based on form our away games (WBA, West ham and QPR) are no more right offs than Stokes 2 remaining home games (Norwich and Tottenham). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 In a way that's an example of why we probably won't go down. Teams like Wigan play nice football but when it counts they still usually get beat. That's because they don't have very good quality players, especially to play a passing game. I'm amazed they've stayed in the division this long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Carlos Tevez and the FA Cup Final being on the 11th may just have seen us safe barring any freak results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Posted this in another thread. Teams below us: Norwich (still to play Stoke and Villa) Sunderland (still to play Stoke and Villa) Stoke (still to play Norwich and Sunderland) Villa (still to play Norwich, Sunderland and Wigan) Wigan (still to play Villa) The points dropped there will save us, even if we don't win another game. They can't all win. Exactly, they'll all cut each others throats and one of Villa or Stoke will go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Villa and Wigan have the toughest run-ins but also the best form. Stoke have winnable games but are in a mess - their game at QPR this weekend is crucial, if they lose that I can't see them winning another game. Even being quite pessimistic on other teams' results I have 38 points as enough to stay up, so we just need to grab a couple of draws.... The problem is, it's difficult to find where those two draws will come from. Our last two home games are against teams who have been in as good form as anyone over recent weeks and are both regarded as "big teams". Away from home we are pushovers, our away form is pathetic and embarrassing. The games against WBA, West ham and QPR are all fixtures our squad of players should be targeting something from, but with our clueless manager and the way we play away from home, those games look like write offs. All the other teams at the bottom have games they look likely to win and most of the teams directly below us seem to be showing signs of a fight Sunderland, Wigan and Villa. While Stoke and Norwich both have much easier home games than we do and you would expect them to push past 36 points. I honestly can see us not gaining another point all season and we'll be down with that kind of form. Reading are a crock of shit yet managed to draw 0-0 with Liverpool last week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoreboard82 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 From the highlights it looks like Wigan dominated yesterday A lot of well built chances and pretty unlucky to come out with nothing. Big difference with our performance over there. I reckon they are gonna easily beat Swansea, who are already on holiday. We could say the same about us v West Brom. Are they already on holiday? Will QPR be on holiday by the time we go there? I'm pretty sure they'll be down by then. West Ham will probably be safe by the time we go there. While we're understandably worried, i think a lot of opinion is based on how people feel after the derby debacle. We shouldn't be any more pessimistic than the likes of Stoke. Having said that, i'll still be mightily relieved to survive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 My BBC predictor table http://i.imgur.com/K0Q4aXm.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Christ, I hope it's not as close as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Don't know where Wigan are getting 7 points from, fortunately. I do think we'll both win and draw in the remaining 5 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I have us just surviving on 38 Sunderland 41 Wigan 40 NUFC 38 Villa 37 --------------------- Stoke 35 QPR 29 Reading fucked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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