merlin Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 They look a lot more capable than us right now and have experience of late escapes. They're at what is more than likely their peak level, we can and most certainly will improve. I agree that we can improve as a team Mick, but I just don't think we have enough in our locker in vital positions to get the wins we need. Up front is a nightmare - relying on the likes of Cisse, past his best and wants to leave anyway, Mitrovic who turns less quickly than a battleship, will never get more than 10-15 goals a season and is best suited to being a target man for long balls, Perez, who, whilst having skill on the ball, has looked woefully lightweight in the past few games and Doumbia, who none of us know much about. Only Townsend offers anything like a threat when he runs at defenders and he is not a goal-scorer. I see why Rafa is playing Shelvey so deep - he probably wouldn't get much of the ball otherwise - but the players around him in m/f are suspect. Gini should be far more effective than he is and disappears for long spells ; Colback needs no further discussion and the same applies to Anita ; a fit and motivated Tiote MIGHT make a difference but when is that going to happen..? Sissoko is the ultimate flatter-to-deceiver in my opinion, should be a powerhouse, but mostly fires blanks and has an inflated opinion of his abilities. In defence, we have probably ONE PL standard CB, one who is drawing his pension already, one who takes 2 months off every season(and often makes stupid tackles)and a young(ish)player who is still adapting to the PL ; we have a RB whose best asset is his flank overlapping but can't often make accurate crosses and often gets exposed by a decent winger and NO LB worth the name, which is why Jogback is playing there and will pick up yellows by the score when he does because he lacks pace and gets frustrated. Mbabu looked decent against Chelsea, but would be thrown in at the deep end. Only Elliott has looked a PL goal-keeper - without him, we could well have lost the Derby..... So, yes - Rafa WILL get more organization into the side, but he is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, thanks to the genius of Charnley & Carr in the transfer market....if we go down the blame lies squarely on these 2 and with Ashley for appointing them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hog Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 The stars are fucking aligning at every turn to ensure we get sent down this season. Whenever there's even the slightest bit of hope, in comes fate with some fuck off size 11s to stomp all over it! There's just too many things stacking up against us, fucking Villa ditching Garde, the cunts are going down anyway - you see them get Pearson in now and cost us three crucial points, especially with Elliott getting injured too. I just fucking despair at the shit luck we have. I'm not saying we don't deserve to be in a relegation fight but fuck sake, the gods could give us a break (other than Elliott's knee!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 The stars haven't aligned, we've been largely poor for the first 30 games with the odd notable exception. We've been badly managed and coached for several years, we've signed layers for the wrong reasons and wasted lots of money on players either unsuitable or unnecessary. We're down there because of the way the club and team has been poorly run for a sustained period of time. Rob Elliot twisting his knee isn't the reason we're staring relegation in the face, we're fucking shit and the players don't care. We're not down there by mistake or accident or fluke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hog Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 The stars haven't aligned, we've been largely poor for the first 30 games with the odd notable exception. We've been badly managed and coached for several years, we've signed layers for the wrong reasons and wasted lots of money on players either unsuitable or unnecessary. We're down there because of the way the club and team has been poorly run for a sustained period of time. Rob Elliot twisting his knee isn't the reason we're staring relegation in the face, we're fucking shit and the players don't care. We're not down there by mistake or accident or fluke. ... which is what I said to a degree, except that when we're down things just appear to add to the general curse we have - that curse being all of the above, as well as some poxy pikey hex thrown on the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 The stars haven't aligned, we've been largely poor for the first 30 games with the odd notable exception. We've been badly managed and coached for several years, we've signed layers for the wrong reasons and wasted lots of money on players either unsuitable or unnecessary. We're down there because of the way the club and team has been poorly run for a sustained period of time. Rob Elliot twisting his knee isn't the reason we're staring relegation in the face, we're fucking shit and the players don't care. We're not down there by mistake or accident or fluke. ... which is what I said to a degree, except that when we're down things just appear to add to the general curse we have - that curse being all of the above, as well as some poxy pikey hex thrown on the club. Wasn't aimed at you directly chap. If/when we go it won't be down to individual pieces of luck it'll be a succession of poor decisions made at all levels of the club from playing, to managing to overseeing the club in it's entirety. It's not bad luck, it's rank bad decisions and bad practise that have us in 19th place with 8 games to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hog Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 The stars haven't aligned, we've been largely poor for the first 30 games with the odd notable exception. We've been badly managed and coached for several years, we've signed layers for the wrong reasons and wasted lots of money on players either unsuitable or unnecessary. We're down there because of the way the club and team has been poorly run for a sustained period of time. Rob Elliot twisting his knee isn't the reason we're staring relegation in the face, we're fucking shit and the players don't care. We're not down there by mistake or accident or fluke. ... which is what I said to a degree, except that when we're down things just appear to add to the general curse we have - that curse being all of the above, as well as some poxy pikey hex thrown on the club. Wasn't aimed at you directly chap. If/when we go it won't be down to individual pieces of luck it'll be a succession of poor decisions made at all levels of the club from playing, to managing to overseeing the club in it's entirety. It's not bad luck, it's rank bad decisions and bad practise that have us in 19th place with 8 games to go. We're just wank really aren't we Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 The stars haven't aligned, we've been largely poor for the first 30 games with the odd notable exception. We've been badly managed and coached for several years, we've signed layers for the wrong reasons and wasted lots of money on players either unsuitable or unnecessary. We're down there because of the way the club and team has been poorly run for a sustained period of time. Rob Elliot twisting his knee isn't the reason we're staring relegation in the face, we're fucking shit and the players don't care. We're not down there by mistake or accident or fluke. ... which is what I said to a degree, except that when we're down things just appear to add to the general curse we have - that curse being all of the above, as well as some poxy pikey hex thrown on the club. Wasn't aimed at you directly chap. If/when we go it won't be down to individual pieces of luck it'll be a succession of poor decisions made at all levels of the club from playing, to managing to overseeing the club in it's entirety. It's not bad luck, it's rank bad decisions and bad practise that have us in 19th place with 8 games to go. We're just wank really aren't we Yep. Elliot or Darlow, Mitrovic or Cisse, 4-4-2 or 4-3-3, it's not the little things that'll send us down it's the way the club has been run for the last 5 years or so. We deserve to go down, not 100% sure we'll go down but we certainly deserve to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 The stars haven't aligned, we've been largely poor for the first 30 games with the odd notable exception. We've been badly managed and coached for several years, we've signed layers for the wrong reasons and wasted lots of money on players either unsuitable or unnecessary. We're down there because of the way the club and team has been poorly run for a sustained period of time. Rob Elliot twisting his knee isn't the reason we're staring relegation in the face, we're f***ing s*** and the players don't care. We're not down there by mistake or accident or fluke. ... which is what I said to a degree, except that when we're down things just appear to add to the general curse we have - that curse being all of the above, as well as some poxy pikey hex thrown on the club. Wasn't aimed at you directly chap. If/when we go it won't be down to individual pieces of luck it'll be a succession of poor decisions made at all levels of the club from playing, to managing to overseeing the club in it's entirety. It's not bad luck, it's rank bad decisions and bad practise that have us in 19th place with 8 games to go. We're just w*** really aren't we Yep. Elliot or Darlow, Mitrovic or Cisse, 4-4-2 or 4-3-3, it's not the little things that'll send us down it's the way the club has been run for the last 5 years or so. We deserve to go down, not 100% sure we'll go down but we certainly deserve to. to both this and your original post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phillipealbert Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 The stars haven't aligned, we've been largely poor for the first 30 games with the odd notable exception. We've been badly managed and coached for several years, we've signed layers for the wrong reasons and wasted lots of money on players either unsuitable or unnecessary. We're down there because of the way the club and team has been poorly run for a sustained period of time. Rob Elliot twisting his knee isn't the reason we're staring relegation in the face, we're f***ing s*** and the players don't care. We're not down there by mistake or accident or fluke. ... which is what I said to a degree, except that when we're down things just appear to add to the general curse we have - that curse being all of the above, as well as some poxy pikey hex thrown on the club. Wasn't aimed at you directly chap. If/when we go it won't be down to individual pieces of luck it'll be a succession of poor decisions made at all levels of the club from playing, to managing to overseeing the club in it's entirety. It's not bad luck, it's rank bad decisions and bad practise that have us in 19th place with 8 games to go. We're just w*** really aren't we Yep. Elliot or Darlow, Mitrovic or Cisse, 4-4-2 or 4-3-3, it's not the little things that'll send us down it's the way the club has been run for the last 5 years or so. We deserve to go down, not 100% sure we'll go down but we certainly deserve to. Spot on. The club (Ashley's club) is disgusting, and if I were a neutral, I'd love to see us go down. As always, it's the fans who lose out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 If Rafa somehow manages to get us out of this mess, I'll happily chip in if we get a statue of him at SJP. It's a total mess and under my normal sane self, I'd probably have given up after tonight. But because there 8 games left for us and Rafa is the manager, I'm just going to hang on to the last straw I have until the next disaster hits us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Mackem Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Spot on. The club (Ashley's club) is disgusting, and if I were a neutral, I'd love to see us go down. As always, it's the fans who lose out. Ditto us with the handling of the Johnson mess. If we both go down with Villa it'll probably be the most popular relegation ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Spot on. The club (Ashley's club) is disgusting, and if I were a neutral, I'd love to see us go down. As always, it's the fans who lose out. Ditto us with the handling of the Johnson mess. If we both go down with Villa it'll probably be the most popular relegation ever No no no. Everyone prefers Sunderland, marra. Classy club and the more successful. Because everyone hates the jawdees, Sunderland are well liked by other fans. #RTG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phillipealbert Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Spot on. The club (Ashley's club) is disgusting, and if I were a neutral, I'd love to see us go down. As always, it's the fans who lose out. Ditto us with the handling of the Johnson mess. If we both go down with Villa it'll probably be the most popular relegation ever I still like to think Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd going down would be the ultimate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 An Everton vs Watford FA Cup Final would be absolutely disastrous! Wed 11 May Norwich vs Watford Sunderland vs Everton Sun 15 May Everton vs Norwich Watford vs Sunderland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Did not realise that, that would be awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 its almost like the stars turds are all aligning for Ashley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 on the other hand, wouldnt they all be playing for a place in the team for the final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 on the other hand, wouldnt they all be playing for a place in the team for the final most likely trying not to get injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 An Everton vs Watford FA Cup Final would be absolutely disastrous! Wed 11 May Norwich vs Watford Sunderland vs Everton Sun 15 May Everton vs Norwich Watford vs Sunderland Both teams will be coasting, regardless. Both going to finish safe, but outside of Europe and probably not in the top half. So I don't see that it makes any difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 on a similar note tho- couldnt our last 2 opponents season be over by then as well.? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 So if we are going to have any chance of staying up, we need to string a run of results quickly then? Hmmm. Also, just to rub it in: Sun 15 May: Newcastle vs Spurs Ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Palace will keep dropping and dropping and dropping and dropping. Norwich is a massive game, but the Palace game will be even bigger by the time we play them. Must not lose on Saturday, a lose would be disastrous whereas a draw we could cope with (especially if the mackems lost). A win would be nice, but we support Newcastle so we may as well plan for the worst Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Palace will keep dropping and dropping and dropping and dropping. Norwich is a massive game, but the Palace game will be even bigger by the time we play them. Must not lose on Saturday, a lose would be disastrous whereas a draw we could cope with (especially if the mackems lost). A win would be nice, but we support Newcastle so we may as well plan for the worst Obviously it wouldn't be anywhere near over mathematically. But if we fail to win tomorrow, I think we're screwed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Palace will keep dropping and dropping and dropping and dropping. Norwich is a massive game, but the Palace game will be even bigger by the time we play them. Must not lose on Saturday, a lose would be disastrous whereas a draw we could cope with (especially if the mackems lost). A win would be nice, but we support Newcastle so we may as well plan for the worst Obviously it wouldn't be anywhere near over mathematically. But if we fail to win tomorrow, I think we're screwed. I can't get past a strong sense that we needed 6 points, or at least 4, from Bournemouth and Sunderland. I'm looking forward to usual pre-match delusional optimism kicking-in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 9.9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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