Dokko Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Massive climb down from KSA required for this to happen. Can’t see it. Not sure how anyone can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Some of the spins here. If this is a good thing for Newcastle why would they vote against it? Yeah that was my main question. It might not mean anything but it doesn’t suggest it’s positive Has the football365 guy said anything lately? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Massive climb down from KSA required for this to happen. Can’t see it. Not sure how anyone can. Bet you any money manor park can Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Massive climb down from KSA required for this to happen. Can’t see it. Not sure how anyone can. I'm not saying it will/won't happen. But why would Bein (Qatar) pay £500m for PL rights (which is the same they paid last time and included broadcasting in Saudi) if they didn't think Saudi were going to allow them to start broadcasting? Surely they'd pay less on the basis the PL rights aren't worth as much to them? If anything, I would think this a concession from Saudi and it'll be officially confirmed at some point that Saudi will allow Bein to be aired in their country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Massive climb down from KSA required for this to happen. Can’t see it. Not sure how anyone can. I'm not saying it will/won't happen. But why would Bein (Qatar) pay £500m for PL rights (which is the same they paid last time and included broadcasting in Saudi) if they didn't think Saudi were going to allow them to start broadcasting? Surely they'd pay less on the basis the PL rights aren't worth as much to them? If anything, I would think this a concession from Saudi and it'll be officially confirmed at some point that Saudi will allow Bein to be aired in their country. Why would Newcastle vote against it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 BEIN were pretty vocal stating the value of their contract was lost when Saudi kicked them out of the country back in July. Further, it was widely reported by the Muppets in the press who listen to Qatar that the value of deal in the future was in jeopardy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Massive climb down from KSA required for this to happen. Can’t see it. Not sure how anyone can. I'm not saying it will/won't happen. But why would Bein (Qatar) pay £500m for PL rights (which is the same they paid last time and included broadcasting in Saudi) if they didn't think Saudi were going to allow them to start broadcasting? Surely they'd pay less on the basis the PL rights aren't worth as much to them? If anything, I would think this a concession from Saudi and it'll be officially confirmed at some point that Saudi will allow Bein to be aired in their country. Why would Newcastle vote against it? No idea. Maybe the vote was some time ago prior to the news Saudi & Qatar are in peace talks. Maybe it was just MA being petty or maybe it means there is little to no hope of a deal. I just think Bein paying the same price they paid for the last PL rights (especially in the current climate of no fans etc) is the bigger part of the story. It doesn't make sense for them to pay the same amount if they didn't think they'd be able to broadcast in Saudi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 BEIN were pretty vocal stating the value of their contract was lost when Saudi kicked them out of the country back in July. Further, it was widely reported by the Muppets in the press who listen to Qatar that the value of deal in the future was in jeopardy. Agreed. Which is why it points to a Saudi concession imo as I think it likely means Bein will be granted access again to broadcast in Saudi. Admittedly I could be completely wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Massive climb down from KSA required for this to happen. Can’t see it. Not sure how anyone can. I'm not saying it will/won't happen. But why would Bein (Qatar) pay £500m for PL rights (which is the same they paid last time and included broadcasting in Saudi) if they didn't think Saudi were going to allow them to start broadcasting? Surely they'd pay less on the basis the PL rights aren't worth as much to them? If anything, I would think this a concession from Saudi and it'll be officially confirmed at some point that Saudi will allow Bein to be aired in their country. Why would Newcastle vote against it? No idea. Maybe the vote was some time ago prior to the news Saudi & Qatar are in peace talks. Maybe it was just MA being petty or maybe it means there is little to no hope of a deal. I just think Bein paying the same price they paid for the last PL rights (especially in the current climate of no fans etc) is the bigger part of the story. It doesn't make sense for them to pay the same amount if they didn't think they'd be able to broadcast in Saudi. Probably a clause stating if not resolved and ksa unavailable to broadcast to then a reduction is in place. There goes any theory this is good in any way for the takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Hopefully the truth lies in this, and the wider peace settlement with Saudi Arabia has given Bein the confidence to bid big again. Remember Bein initially claimed they wouldn’t be matching previous amount they paid. The key here is not the Saudis not getting the contract as it doesn’t appear they’ve been in for it, but if Saudi start allowing Bein to broadcast again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Massive climb down from KSA required for this to happen. Can’t see it. Not sure how anyone can. I'm not saying it will/won't happen. But why would Bein (Qatar) pay £500m for PL rights (which is the same they paid last time and included broadcasting in Saudi) if they didn't think Saudi were going to allow them to start broadcasting? Surely they'd pay less on the basis the PL rights aren't worth as much to them? If anything, I would think this a concession from Saudi and it'll be officially confirmed at some point that Saudi will allow Bein to be aired in their country. Why would Newcastle vote against it? No idea. Maybe the vote was some time ago prior to the news Saudi & Qatar are in peace talks. Maybe it was just MA being petty or maybe it means there is little to no hope of a deal. I just think Bein paying the same price they paid for the last PL rights (especially in the current climate of no fans etc) is the bigger part of the story. It doesn't make sense for them to pay the same amount if they didn't think they'd be able to broadcast in Saudi. Probably a clause stating if not resolved and ksa unavailable to broadcast to then a reduction is in place. There goes any theory this is good in any way for the takeover. I've not seen any report of such a clause and given FFP I doubt clubs would agree to a package that could change given they can only spend a certain percentage over and above their income. I'm possibly coming across as overly positive and to tell the truth I'm pretty sceptical the deal will happen. I just think the new TV deal is more likely a good sign than a bad sign. I guess we'll only know if/when it is established if Bein can broadcast in Saudi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Hopefully the truth lies in this, and the wider peace settlement with Saudi Arabia has given Bein the confidence to bid big again. Remember Bein initially claimed they wouldn’t be matching previous amount they paid. The key here is not the Saudis not getting the contract as it doesn’t appear they’ve been in for it, but if Saudi start allowing Bein to broadcast again. That last tweet is the most interesting. Both parties confident of being able to service the Saudi market soon. Again I say though, if NUFC win arbitration that proves PIF are a separate legal entity to KSA, it makes all this irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mags Serbia Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 #soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 This peace deal could be the key to unlocking the deal. I’m still not convinced though and think top 6 would still object regardless of resumption of Bein in Saudi. What I’d like to know at this point has this MENA contract been put out to tender, or is it more ammo in relation to collusion and corruption at the top of PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 We will be voting against everything the Premier League are putting forward. We will well and truly be spitting our dummy out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I much preferred the days when we used to get second hand information from Football365. Better than this silence shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 My guy feeling is that is not good news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 My guy feeling is that is not good news But some guy on twitter called Harry said it was done. Gutted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I think this takeover has run out of gas. Brewce 6 year extension incoming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 If the 500m includes broadcasting rights in SA then Qatar must be confident that they’ll be able to broadcast there. The deal isn’t worth 500m without that market. IMO this is positive news, if SA now lift the ban then even more so. Both sides could claim victory and in many ways they’d both be right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirtleyMag Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Even if the Saudi’s decide to reinstate beIN, I don’t see how this should affect the legal case. Also, the ‘big 6’ will still be trying their best to stop this from going through. Don’t think we’ll hear anything until the new year now unfortunately. Let’s just hope the kebab eating dinosaur can fluke some more results over Christmas & New Year. Saturday is a must not lose game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Imagine going thru all this legal stuff for Bruce to get us relegated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Piracy always seems to have been at the heart of this, there’s huge sums of money involved, reputation and integrity for the Premier League. If beIN withdraw their objections I don’t see the Big 6 being in any position to stop it. All the PL would need to say is that they recognised PIF as a separate entity and that the test was complete. If beIN remain banned in SA the deals dead, 500m says otherwise and the PL are going to have a hell of a time running piracy cases which would be a very expensive business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 If the 500m includes broadcasting rights in SA then Qatar must be confident that they’ll be able to broadcast there. The deal isn’t worth 500m without that market. IMO this is positive news, if SA now lift the ban then even more so. Both sides could claim victory and in many ways they’d both be right. I’m hoping this is the scenario to, it would be hard to believe Saudi and Qatar are going to sign some peace pact whilst continuing to ban Bein and lobbying against the takeover. My only doubt is have Qatar happily paid over the odds as a thanks to the PL for blocking the takeover. The statement from Bein references the PL protecting rights, which clearly relates to the Saudis and piracy. After previously stating the next contract would be worth less, it’s a bit bizarre to pay over the odds in a 1 horse bidding race. Here’s hoping it’s the former but I don’t think anyone truly knows at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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