Takeover Thread - July 1st statement, Staveley letter to Tracey Crouch (and response) in OP

[Toonjam88]

1 hour ago, Wandy said:

So Keith is now effectively saying that he doesnt think the club will win the arbitration case....."we won't get the takeover without the CAT action". Another subtle change in tune then. Marvellous.

You are massively taking that out of context. He has always maintained that the quickest way to get it is through the CAT case. He did not say he expected the arbitration to go the Premier Leagues way. What was said is that from the recent extension from the judge is that the Premier Leagues lawyers are trying to push the arbitration date back again hence why he thinks the CAT is a better route as everything would be out in the open unlike arbitration. 

[Shearergol]

4 minutes ago, Toonjam88 said:

You are massively taking that out of context. He has always maintained that the quickest way to get it is through the CAT case. He did not say he expected the arbitration to go the Premier Leagues way. What was said is that from the recent extension from the judge is that the Premier Leagues lawyers are trying to push the arbitration date back again hence why he thinks the CAT is a better route as everything would be out in the open unlike arbitration. 

The cat case could take years 

[Toonjam88]

2 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

The cat case could take years 

The CAT case would be the quicker of the 2 from what I understand not sure where you get years from. 

[Rocker]

3 hours ago, Tiresias said:

What gets me is like, what does it matter if Keith thinks we'll win it or not, how the fuck would he know? All this going off peoples feelings. I don't want to be negative but still think this has been dead for a long time and I kinda hate to see how many people are strung along by it, but I hope I'm wrong. It's all a bit reading tea leaves though, oooh this bloke reckons premier league have no chance, but wait candice from Hexham says she has seen a ghost in a mirror saying the premier league will cave

How can it be dead? 

[veriaqa]

2 hours ago, Shearergol said:

The cat case could take years 

Really? Source please...

Because I read on their site it's usually only take 6 to 9 moths to resolve...

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How long does the process take?

Cases before the Tribunal often raise complicated issues and may involve a significant number of parties so it may be difficult to know at the outset how long a particular case will last. However the Tribunal does seek to manage the cases tightly and, in general aims, to complete “straightforward” cases in less than nine months.

A claim for damages brought pursuant to Section 47A of the 1998 Act may be subject to the fast-track procedure (“FTP”). The FTP is a particular procedure intended to enable less complex claims to be brought, in particular by individuals and small businesses, and decided quickly with limited risk as to costs. In any case subject to the FTP, the final hearing will be fixed to take place as soon as practicable and in any event within six months.

And again people try to ignore hard facts so they can be negative, negative for the sake of negative itself. Defense mechanism? Who knows?

And one poster before said that he believe the takeover is dead. Base on what? It's clearly said in the CAT case one of the things Ashley wants is about the takeover (beside of course compo - because we know Ashley loves money). Why Ashley demand the PL to change its ODT decision if the deal is dead?

People in this board :smh:

[Candi_Hills]

4 hours ago, Tiresias said:

What gets me is like, what does it matter if Keith thinks we'll win it or not, how the fuck would he know? All this going off peoples feelings. I don't want to be negative but still think this has been dead for a long time and I kinda hate to see how many people are strung along by it, but I hope I'm wrong. It's all a bit reading tea leaves though, oooh this bloke reckons premier league have no chance, but wait candice from Hexham says she has seen a ghost in a mirror saying the premier league will cave

Candice from Hexham? Try big Mike from Hertfordshire who wants his £340m.

[Fantail Breeze]

I can’t foresee a scenario where the PL give in and basically admit to bring wrong/corrupt. Or a scenario where they have cocked up and left themselves wide open to a case like this being successful.

The only hope for the takeover imo (as journalists have said) is a positive outcome through arbitration. Either settling it outside of the process through Saudi’s taking action on piracy, or the unlikely event of arbitration going our way.

At least it appears to be nearing a conclusion, one way or the other. Hopefully it goes our way but I just can’t see it.

[Candi_Hills]

53 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

I can’t foresee a scenario where the PL give in and basically admit to bring wrong/corrupt. Or a scenario where they have cocked up and left themselves wide open to a case like this being successful.

The only hope for the takeover imo (as journalists have said) is a positive outcome through arbitration. Either settling it outside of the process through Saudi’s taking action on piracy, or the unlikely event of arbitration going our way.

At least it appears to be nearing a conclusion, one way or the other. Hopefully it goes our way but I just can’t see it.

If it does go through, it'll be interesting to see whether part of the agreement is that they pretend none of this ever happened and Amanda comes out and says Richard Masters is lush or if the bad blood will remain for a long time.

[veriaqa]

1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said:

I can’t foresee a scenario where the PL give in and basically admit to bring wrong/corrupt. Or a scenario where they have cocked up and left themselves wide open to a case like this being successful.

This is like poker. NUFC got its cards, so do the PL.

I hope that NUFC cards (proves) is so good it will beat that whatever the PL cards. Or force the PL to fold.

If you think this is not possible (i.e : the PL will always win whatever proves NUFC have), then I have a big question about British judicial system.

[Candi_Hills]

4 minutes ago, veriaqa said:

This is like poker. NUFC got its cards, so do the PL.

I hope that NUFC cards (proves) is so good it will beat that whatever the PL cards. Or force the PL to fold.

If you think this is not possible (i.e : the PL will always win whatever proves NUFC have), then I have a big question about British judicial system.

Like every other institution, it'll be bent as fuck. Just as Keith said last night, the biggest worry is that the arbitration panel are bought and paid for. I've the same concerns for any of our legal ventures.

[veriaqa]

2 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said:

Like every other institution, it'll be bent as fuck. Just as Keith said last night, the biggest worry is that the arbitration panel are bought and paid for. I've the same concerns for any of our legal ventures.

I tought corruption only exist in third world country. European people always portray their country as squeaky clean, with corruption index etc.

I didnt know that your legal system is bent too.

Now NUFC only hope is for the Saudi to buy out your entire legal system then.

 

[ToonArmy1892]

9 minutes ago, veriaqa said:

I tought corruption only exist in third world country. European people always portray their country as squeaky clean, with corruption index etc.

I didnt know that your legal system is bent too.

Now NUFC only hope is for the Saudi to buy out your entire legal system then.

 

The whole world is corrupt bud.

[veriaqa]

I bet.

But thing like this Corruption Perception Index and other things like that makes me, a naive brown man, think that European gov and legal system is super clean.

[gdm]

Think I’ve finally been worn down by all this. The prospect of this dragging on and on well in to next season is just depressing. 
think I’ll try stop thinking about it 

[Jackie Broon]

In my experience corruption is both far more prevalent and far less prevalent than people think.

I really don't think there's much of a culture of direct corruption in Britain, brown envelopes etc. but there's a huge culture of nepotism and bias towards people from the same background. 

[manorpark]

15 minutes ago, gdm said:

Think I’ve finally been worn down by all this. The prospect of this dragging on and on well in to next season is just depressing. 
think I’ll try stop thinking about it 

That is very unlikely, given all the currently known information.

It is not impossible (I suppose) but it really is VERY unlikely.

[veriaqa]

Up to this point, I was positive about the takeover.

But in the light of this new information, count me as negativist now.

I had high hope in British legal system for being clean and fair, but now all hope is lost.

[Jackie Broon]

15 minutes ago, veriaqa said:

Up to this point, I was positive about the takeover.

But in the light of this new information, count me as negativist now.

I had high hope in British legal system for being clean and fair, but now all hope is lost.

I was saying the opposite of that really.

I very much doubt there is any bribery within the British judiciary. There may be bias, whether conscious or not, towalds people from the same background, but that wouldn't really come into it in this case.

 

 

Edited May 22, 2021 by Jackie Broon

[Hhtoon]

21 minutes ago, veriaqa said:

Up to this point, I was positive about the takeover.

But in the light of this new information, count me as negativist now.

I had high hope in British legal system for being clean and fair, but now all hope is lost.

That's not new info really, just peoples opinion. The reality, as Jackie B has said, is likely different.

[Candi_Hills]

46 minutes ago, veriaqa said:

I bet.

But thing like this Corruption Perception Index and other things like that makes me, a naive brown man, think that European gov and legal system is super clean.

I'd say that there's more corruption at the bottom level in Asia (not sure about Indonesia). Paying people off is part of the culture. Parents will give teachers money to favour their child. Surgeons accept additional cash with promises of doing a good job. People slip each other packets of money for all sorts of reasons that we don't even think about here in Britain. Maybe, that's how they put the corruption index together.

If you're talking institutional corruption though, we'll take anybody on.

[nufcnick]

26 minutes ago, veriaqa said:

Up to this point, I was positive about the takeover.

But in the light of this new information, count me as negativist now.

I had high hope in British legal system for being clean and fair, but now all hope is lost.

 

14 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

I was saying the opposite of that really.

I very much doubt there is any bribery within the British judiciary. There may be bias, whether conscious or not, towalds people from the same background, but that wouldn't really come into it in this case.

Any QC thats on the arbitration panel no matter if he’s in the PL’s pocket or not would want to see the evidence of the anti competition action, as if he rules in favour of the PL and then the the club win the action, he would show himself to be untrustworthy and kill his career 

[UncleBingo]

33 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

In my experience corruption is both far more prevalent and far less prevalent than people think.

I really don't think there's much of a culture of direct corruption in Britain, brown envelopes etc. but there's a huge culture of nepotism and bias towards people from the same background. 

People who think there isn't a culture of corruption in Britain want to take a look what's been going on here in the last 5 or 6 years.

Brexit, Russian money, cash for questions, Arcuri, Mustique, flat refurbishments, Jenrick, billions on bogus untendered PPE contracts.......it's absolutely fucking rife, and Johnson is at the very heart of it.

[Darth Crooks]

Have to admit it does make me laugh when the exposure of cartels is mentioned in these tweets whilst citing Johnson’s support.

[Jackie Broon]

3 minutes ago, UncleBingo said:

People who think there isn't a culture of corruption in Britain want to take a look what's been going on here in the last 5 or 6 years.

Brexit, Russian money, cash for questions, Arcuri, Mustique, flat refurbishments, Jenrick, billions on bogus untendered PPE contracts.......it's absolutely fucking rife, and Johnson is at the very heart of it.

I agree, but it's very different to what people think, there is very little in the way of bribing decision-making officials. I am one of those, making multimillion pound value decisions, and I have never been offered a bribe in my career. But I think there is loads of doing 'favours' for mates etc. Which is much harder to prove than direct corruption.

[robbo_11]

6 minutes ago, UncleBingo said:

People who think there isn't a culture of corruption in Britain want to take a look what's been going on here in the last 5 or 6 years.

Brexit, Russian money, cash for questions, Arcuri, Mustique, flat refurbishments, Jenrick, billions on bogus untendered PPE contracts.......it's absolutely fucking rife, and Johnson is at the very heart of it.

Imagine going back to the days where you could just enjoy the football!

Even this morning news from ESPN Brazil indicated a former Brazilian FA lead is secretly controlling the CBF despite being banned by FIFA for corruption. With this comes further questions about why Edu from Arsenal continued to work with him despite this. This could all be harmless, but clubs are going to have to openly condemn it otherwise they are liable to be implicated.

The Saturday 3pm and 90 minutes seems long gone.