Takeover Thread - July 1st statement, Staveley letter to Tracey Crouch (and response) in OP

[Jackie Broon]

22 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Tbf ksa don't have the setup to make this work. It's gone to the best bidder, not the highest 

 

The bidder whose president sits on UEFA's exec committee and is chairman of the European Club Association. Nowt fishy about that at all.

[McCormick]

@DokkoAbsolutely right, the planning in KSA is absolutely woeful and it would be terrible for the PL brand to accept their offer. Also the fact that PIF still owes billions to European construction consortiums would make it a pretty risky proposition; nothing to do with backhanders (imo) in this particular instance.

 

 

Edited June 10, 2021 by McCormick

[RS]

When was the last time there any real takeover news?  Ashley’s statement a few weeks back?

[Ben]

53 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

The bidder whose president sits on UEFA's exec committee and is chairman of the European Club Association. Nowt fishy about that at all.

 

Did the clubs that will financially lose out in this deal not get a say ? If I was them I would form a breakaway league.

 

 

Edited June 10, 2021 by Ben

[Jackie Broon]

45 minutes ago, RS said:

When was the last time there any real takeover news?  Ashley’s statement a few weeks back?

 

I doubt there will be anything new of substance until the decision on the CAT jurisdiction challenge drops, which will probably not be until sometime around the end of the month.

[andyc35i]

53 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

I doubt there will be anything new of substance until the decision on the CAT jurisdiction challenge drops, which will probably not be until sometime around the end of the month.

So there isn’t any timeframe set for the review of the jurisdiction challenge to be heard / resulted?

[nbthree3]

I'm reading the CAT rules for guidance https://www.catribunal.org.uk/sites/default/files/2017-11/The_Competition_Appeal_Tribunal_Rules_2015.pdf // https://www.catribunal.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-05/1402_StJames_Reasoned_Order__130521_1.pdf

 

I don't think there is a time frame set for the review to be heard. Ashley's case is under "section 47A of the Competition Act 1998" so the guidance I can apply is from rule 29 onwards, part 4. 

 

An acknowledgement of service was filed by the PL on the 4th May - which needed to be done within 1 week of receiving the claim -  and ordinarily they would have 28 days (until 1st June) to file a defence. Within 2 weeks, they could challenge jurisdiction by submitting an application to contest said jurisdiction, which they did on 11th May through rule 34. This means that the PL do not need to submit a defence until after the hearing of the jurisdiction claim which has drawn out proceedings by many weeks. Perhaps similarly that we did with trying to remove Beloff as chair of the PL arbitration. 

 

Rule 35 talks about how 4 weeks after receiving the copy of the claim form, which was 4th May ordinarily, the PL must file a defence but it's subject to rule 34. I assume because the hearing of the jurisdiction application must happen first, the league have 4 weeks after that application is heard to file a defence but I might be wrong there. It'd make sense because it's the length of time they would have anyway dedicated to filing a response. 

 

Within 3 weeks of receiving the defence whenever that is because the dates are uncertain, Ashley could file a response. He doesn't have to, but he could. I'm expecting people to play the long game and that has already brought us up to 7 weeks extra before we consider when the jurisdiction application might be heard. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Scoot]

18 minutes ago, nbthree3 said:

I'm reading the CAT rules for guidance https://www.catribunal.org.uk/sites/default/files/2017-11/The_Competition_Appeal_Tribunal_Rules_2015.pdf // https://www.catribunal.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-05/1402_StJames_Reasoned_Order__130521_1.pdf

 

I don't think there is a time frame set for the review to be heard. Ashley's case is under "section 47A of the Competition Act 1998" so the guidance I can apply is from rule 29 onwards, part 4. 

 

An acknowledgement of service was filed by the PL on the 4th May - which needed to be done within 1 week of receiving the claim -  and ordinarily they would have 28 days (until 1st June) to file a defence. Within 2 weeks, they could challenge jurisdiction by submitting an application to contest said jurisdiction, which they did on 11th May through rule 34. This means that the PL do not need to submit a defence until after the hearing of the jurisdiction claim which has drawn out proceedings by many weeks. Perhaps similarly that we did with trying to remove Beloff as chair of the PL arbitration. 

 

Rule 35 talks about how 4 weeks after receiving the copy of the claim form, which was 4th May ordinarily, the PL must file a defence but it's subject to rule 34. I assume because the hearing of the jurisdiction application must happen first, the league have 4 weeks after that application is heard to file a defence but I might be wrong there. It'd make sense because it's the length of time they would have anyway dedicated to filing a response. 

 

Within 3 weeks of receiving the defence whenever that is because the dates are uncertain, Ashley could file a response. He doesn't have to, but he could. I'm expecting people to play the long game and that has already brought us up to 7 weeks extra before we consider when the jurisdiction application might be heard. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't understand much of that.

[nbthree3]

I don't either tbf 

[Robster]

This is why we leave it to the experts

[Fantail Breeze]

5 hours ago, Wandy said:

 

Jacobs seems to be enjoying this a bit too much. I'm starting to have reservations about his "impartiality".

 

1. That post has nothing to do with our takeover.

2. I’m not sure where you think he’s enjoying in his post. His post is practically the same as the other tweet above. Is Martyn Ziegler the enemy now too?

 

Posts like this are as bad as (and very similar to) ‘Magedia’ on RTG.

[Wandy]

43 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

1. That post has nothing to do with our takeover.

2. I’m not sure where you think he’s enjoying in his post. His post is practically the same as the other tweet above. Is Martyn Ziegler the enemy now too?

 

Posts like this are as bad as (and very similar to) ‘Magedia’ on RTG.

 

Anything Saudi v Qatar is takeover related, in the current environment. Jacobs himself knows this and has used it to raise his profile. That's not especially a criticism of him though.

 

His reaction to yesterday's news, regarding Saudi being taken off the naughty list, was noticeably muted. For someone who claims to just be reporting the story he just seemed to spend the time scoring cheap points against some of NUFC's support.

[Fantail Breeze]

2 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

Anything Saudi v Qatar is takeover related, in the current environment. Jacobs himself knows this and has used it to raise his profile. That's not especially a criticism of him though.

 

His reaction to yesterday's news, regarding Saudi being taken off the naughty list, was noticeably muted. For someone who claims to just be reporting the story he just seemed to spend the time scoring cheap points against some of NUFC's support.

 

Middle East journalist reporting Middle East news shocker.

 

Think you’re reading too much into it.

[ED209]

So is there any actual news?

[duo]

6 minutes ago, ED209 said:

So is there any actual news?

[Wandy]

8 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Middle East journalist reporting Middle East news shocker.

 

Think you’re reading too much into it.

 

That's the thing though. It was a significant event in the whole saga and he didnt make any announcement of it all. Instead, he referenced the story to enable him to have a dig at a section of NUFC's support.

[Fantail Breeze]

4 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

That's the thing though. It was a significant event in the whole saga and he didnt make any announcement of it all. Instead, he referenced the story to enable him to have a dig at a section of NUFC's support.

 

Have you been on his Twitter?

He’s literally re-tweeted a positive takeover story re: the piracy report and then posted his own thoughts on it.

[Wandy]

4 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Have you been on his Twitter?

He’s literally re-tweeted a positive takeover story re: the piracy report and then posted his own thoughts on it.

 

Of course, that's why I have commented on it.

 

That's the point though. He didnt "champion" the story in the same manner he did with today's. He could have broke the story in manner that said "this is positve news for NUFC fans'. He didn't though, he retweeted it with a "see, I told you piracy was an important factor" point-scoring vibe.

[Fantail Breeze]

 Fucking hell. 
 

His post today doesn’t say it’s a negative, no? Doesn’t even reference the takeover. Yet you’re moaning about it.

 

Yet he’s directly re-tweeting positive news and that isn’t good enough  

 

The bloke can’t win. He’ll get the same grief some on here will get when/if this goes through. Completing missing that people are basing their views on the news in front of them, rather than what they want to happen.

[Whitley mag]

1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

1. That post has nothing to do with our takeover.

2. I’m not sure where you think he’s enjoying in his post. His post is practically the same as the other tweet above. Is Martyn Ziegler the enemy now too?

 

Posts like this are as bad as (and very similar to) ‘Magedia’ on RTG.

Ziegler is a long time friend of Qatar and was anti takeover from the outset. Funnily enough he was very happy to turn a blind eye to Qatar’s human rights issues when they we’re after his beloved Leeds ‘The biggest sleeping giant in English football’.

 

Compare the below article with his views on our takeover, and you’ll find another journalist with an anti Saudi agenda.

 

There’s agendas everywhere when it comes to this takeover and Middle East / PL politics.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/andrea-radrizzani-new-qatar-investor-can-get-leeds-up-to-level-of-man-city-bfd0gcqlf

 

 

 

 

 

[RS]

Another no news day passes. 

[SweMag]

Again, Ben Jacobs is full of shit. Stop reading his tweets. He was all over the BZG takeover in 2019 and said a verbal agreement of £350m was in place and also proof of funds, deal could be completed very soon. He also said the BZG wanted Benitez to stay as manager but that they also had their eyes on Wenger and Mourinho...

[Wandy]

6 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 Fucking hell. 
 

His post today doesn’t say it’s a negative, no? Doesn’t even reference the takeover. Yet you’re moaning about it.

 

Yet he’s directly re-tweeting positive news and that isn’t good enough  

 

The bloke can’t win. He’ll get the same grief some on here will get when/if this goes through. Completing missing that people are basing their views on the news in front of them, rather than what they want to happen.

 

His "OFFICIAL" triumphalist post today was simply about how it was a victory for BEin in the face of a Saudi competitor who had more money. It was a glaring little dig at the Saudis. If you don't see it that way then that's up to you.

 

Yesterday was a major piece of good news for NUFC fans, and it felt really significant. That's not how Jacobs reported on it though. It came across as a quite grudging acknowledgement of a piece of positivity for NUFC fans. Again, if you don't see it that way then that's up to you.

 

And yeah, now that he has presented himself as "Mr Balanced", I am watching him like a hawk.

 

[et tu brute]

25 minutes ago, SweMag said:

Again, Ben Jacobs is full of shit. Stop reading his tweets. He was all over the BZG takeover in 2019 and said a verbal agreement of £350m was in place and also proof of funds, deal could be completed very soon. He also said the BZG wanted Benitez to stay as manager but that they also had their eyes on Wenger and Mourinho...

He also told a few untruths in a chronicle podcast during that takeover bid, which meant that it was pulled within 24 hours.

[Fantail Breeze]

29 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

His "OFFICIAL" triumphalist post today was simply about how it was a victory for BEin in the face of a Saudi competitor who had more money. It was a glaring little dig at the Saudis. If you don't see it that way then that's up to you.

 

Yesterday was a major piece of good news for NUFC fans, and it felt really significant. That's not how Jacobs reported on it though. It came across as a quite grudging acknowledgement of a piece of positivity for NUFC fans. Again, if you don't see it that way then that's up to you.

 

And yeah, now that he has presented himself as "Mr Balanced", I am watching him like a hawk.

 

Yesterday was far from “a major piece of good news” like. It was positive but fairly unremarkable.