Novocastrian Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, gdm said: If this at all relevant, what have they been doing for nearly 2 months? Waiting - did you not get the memo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 On 24/08/2021 at 08:10, B-more Mag said: The "corporation sole" thing is a red herring and likely merely a product of the lawyer or paralegal trying to pick a characterization for something that's not a commonly encountered thing (that being a legal entity formed by royal decree under the law of Saudi Arabia). In any case, how the PIF is characterized on the corporate form of another entity would have no bearing on its actual legal status -- this would be determined under Saudi Arabian and English law, based on the facts and circumstances. It also would not change the fact that under the provisions of the PIF law KSA appoints PIF's directors. (And, obviously, it's pure speculation that PAUK has anything at all to do with the NUFC situation.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Good question - no idea. Maybe theyve been told if you restructure, you can go ahead and takeover the club. Its all bit tenuous and circumstancial Ill admit though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, Lazarus said: Because it links NCUK with the takeover and NCUK have just been restructured. So not interesting or necessarily relevant given their other UK interests Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, gjohnson said: So not interesting or necessarily relevant given their other UK interests Depends how you look into it. Quite a few people found it interesting as we have been chatting about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Lazarus said: By the way - Its quite common for there to be a delay in documents being prepared and the posting and updating within companies house. So......adding 2 and 2 and possibly getting 5.... Arbitration is adjourned pending the restructure of PIF's UK companies... The structure of PIF's UK companies is a known stumbling block as to the separation of PIF from the Saudi Royal Family.... If the structure is revised to the satisfaction of all concerned.... Cans all round? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, gjohnson said: So not interesting or necessarily relevant given their other UK interests If we believe the company NCUK was specifically formed for the takeover of Newcastle how is it not interesting or relevant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, gjohnson said: So not interesting or necessarily relevant given their other UK interests Quite possibly not as Ive said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joey Linton Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, Scotty66 said: "It feels significant" says kev with his background in playing records. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Everything that's happening and the deafening silence from everyone involved makes me think something could be happening, however 18 months of hurt have convinced me it's not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, Scotty66 said: It's an address change for the PIF and a change in the way it's described on a NCUK Investment Limited filing with the Companies House. NCUK Investment Limited can't change the nature of PIF's legal existence by changing a few words on a Companies House form. The PIF is a creature of Saudi Arabian -- the Saudi Arabian law itself would have to be changed in order for the nature of its legal existence to change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I’m sure i read somewhere The Abu Dhabi group changed their structure for the Man City takeover to go thru. Im sure it was addressed by caulkin or Douglas or another journo when they said PIF wanted to go thru the front door not the side door. Apologies my memory is terrible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) Irrespective of the implications of the change, the bottom line seems to be that PIF do appear to still be on board... Edited September 7, 2021 by Thumbheed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, B-more Mag said: It's an address change for the PIF and a change in the way it's described on a NCUK Investment Limited filing with the Companies House. NCUK Investment Limited can't change the nature of PIF's legal existence by changing a few words on a Companies House form. The PIF is a creature of Saudi Arabian -- the Saudi Arabian law itself would have to be changed in order for the nature of its legal existence to change. In Saudi Law, PIF are a separate entity to the state anyway - that was always the argument that they presented to PL. No change required Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, B-more Mag said: It's an address change for the PIF and a change in the way it's described on a NCUK Investment Limited filing with the Companies House. NCUK Investment Limited can't change the nature of PIF's legal existence by changing a few words on a Companies House form. The PIF is a creature of Saudi Arabian -- the Saudi Arabian law itself would have to be changed in order for the nature of its legal existence to change. That's that then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, B-more Mag said: It's an address change for the PIF and a change in the way it's described on a NCUK Investment Limited filing with the Companies House. NCUK Investment Limited can't change the nature of PIF's legal existence by changing a few words on a Companies House form. The PIF is a creature of Saudi Arabian -- the Saudi Arabian law itself would have to be changed in order for the nature of its legal existence to change. Probably been answered, but what's the point of doing this then? (updating CH) Edited September 7, 2021 by Rocker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Lazarus said: Good question - no idea. Maybe theyve been told if you restructure, you can go ahead and takeover the club. Its all bit tenuous and circumstancial Ill admit though If you recall the Arbitration tribunal prefer it if the parties reach a compromise rather than Arbitration deciding the issue before them, so adjourning until early 2022 may have been to allow time for the cpnsortium and tje EPL to reach an amicable compromise such as restructuring the purchasing vehicle to prove separation from the Saudi state! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, B-more Mag said: It's an address change for the PIF and a change in the way it's described on a NCUK Investment Limited filing with the Companies House. NCUK Investment Limited can't change the nature of PIF's legal existence by changing a few words on a Companies House form. The PIF is a creature of Saudi Arabian -- the Saudi Arabian law itself would have to be changed in order for the nature of its legal existence to change. That obviously makes sense but the speculation here isn't that the nature of PIF has changed, rather that they've cooked something up to avoid PIF having to go through the test at all? Unless I'm misunderstanding, which is entirely likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, gdm said: I’m sure i read somewhere The Abu Dhabi group changed their structure for the Man City takeover to go thru. Im sure it was addressed by caulkin or Douglas or another journo when they said PIF wanted to go thru the front door not the side door. Apologies my memory is terrible No worries mate. Now pop back indoors and put some trousers on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, RS said: No worries mate. Now pop back indoors and put some trousers on. Sorry what ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, gdm said: If we believe the company NCUK was specifically formed for the takeover of Newcastle how is it not interesting or relevant Because it wasn't? Companies House listings and person's of control mean absolutely bot all. I used to work for a company in Shields that listed everything religiously on there, but didn't stop them going bust and disappearing in a week Edited September 7, 2021 by gjohnson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Because it wasn't? Companies House listings and person's of control mean absolutely bot all. I used to work for a company in Shields that listed everything religiously on there, but didn't stop them going bust and disappearing in a week How do you know it wasn’t? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Just now, gdm said: How do you know it wasn’t? I don't. I know nothing, but the level of activity doesn't exactly suggest the pursuit of a multi-million pound deal, when a company of less than 10 can provide more information in a month than they have in a year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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