PIF and RB Sports & Media

[Groundhog63]

I'm not a fan of the KSA or huge tory donors like the Reubens. Even less so when they (tory donors) hang around food banks etc etc

I don't have a say in who owns the club, though. Being both a hypocrite and pragmatist to the influence of money, power & control of modern football I'm just happy the team I've supported for over 50 years are "back in the game".

 

I was minded to have a look the Reuben's family back story. This was interesting, imho

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2004/jun/27/russia

[Khalidao]

9 hours ago, Thiago said:

I can absolutely see a certain section of our lot suggesting this shows the good side to Saudi/PIF/MBS.

 

this shows the good side to Saudi/PIF/MBS.

10 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

[RodneyCisse]

1 hour ago, JonBez comesock said:

Hope not

Not a chance, the UK makes too much money from them.

[JonBez comesock]

Again they are trying to push this narrative on sky FFS - just been asked about it today 

 

 

Edited March 4, 2022 by JonBez comesock

[gjohnson]

Just now, JonBez comesock said:

Again they are trying to push this narrative on sky FFS - just been asked about it on sky 

Sky really don't want to upset the applecart of a big 6.

 

Shame they don't realise that they'll get a shed load more interest with another player at the table

[JonBez comesock]

1 minute ago, gjohnson said:

Sky really don't want to upset the applecart of a big 6.

 

Shame they don't realise that they'll get a shed load more interest with another player at the table

Agreed 

[Doctor Zaius]

Why was there a need for Staveley to comment of Abramovich at Chelsea anyway?

 

It really is a stupid quote like.

[The Merse]

The media are starting to push the narrative that links between Putin and abramahovic is a recently discovered thing - everybody new it was there - just brushed under the carpet for twenty years - I love Mandy but she should really shut up sometimes

[NUFC_Chris]

Wasn’t it a Q&A? She was probably asked, and she’s entitled to her opinion. I’m not arsed at her expressing her opinion on it.

[The Merse]

She can totally have her opinion and I am sure the CEO of any other club could have a similar one ,unfortunately, because its us she is getting pelters in the press for it - it's just more mud that can get slung our way 

[Mattoon]

The full quote makes for better context, she said she feels bad that someone is losing their club but follows it up with saying but people need to be held accountable for the relationships they keep. With the last bit left out (purposefully) it sounds a lot worse.

[TRon]

18 hours ago, Awaymag said:

Its not what we believe that matters.  Its what PL and PIF have legally agreed to:

 

you can't in one instance have PL say they have legal clarifications of separation and that PIF are the owners to then have PL bring in new conditions and then say actually we believe the Saudi state own NUFC.    Any new rules can be run against existing Directors only and Saudi State is not a director of NUFC, the PIF chairman is.

 

 

 

 

What's legal today could become illegal tomorrow, if circumstances changed, the govt could just bring in new emergency laws under some contingency or other. If there came a time when as a nation we needed to disasociate with PIF then it would get done.

 

Not that I think it will happen, Saudis have a long history with the British govt, they would never go against them in the way Putin has.

[TRon]

24 minutes ago, NUFC_Chris said:

Wasn’t it a Q&A? She was probably asked, and she’s entitled to her opinion. I’m not arsed at her expressing her opinion on it.

 

Exactly. I'm not bothered about it either, although it does hint that she sees how things can change pretty quickly.

 

From my POV, we never needed to be the richest club in the world, all things equal, if the "state ownership" of clubs came to a halt, we'd be up there as commercially attractive as most others. It's why the Saudis targeted us in the first place.

 

All we really wanted was a level playing field, and with the likes of Abramovic and the Mansours calling the shots that was never going to happen without PIF. I hope we get a decade or so of super powered spending like those clubs had before we get the plug pulled. After that I'm happy to go head to head with anyone, PIF or not.

[Kid Icarus]

What she's said is just consistent with her (and us) being in bed with the Saudis. She's hardly going to describe the PIF as wonderful and then get on her high horse about Abramovich. I know there are those that want to fawn over her and Mehrdad because they're all nicey nice, saved us from Ashley, and have big plans for the club, but things like this are going to come up time and again and expose some uncomfortable truths that remind us of who we're owned by. That's not a criticism for anyone either btw, I just don't think we should kid ourselves or fall into the trap of mistaking professional competence for personal rightousness.

[Kid Icarus]

16 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

The full quote makes for better context, she said she feels bad that someone is losing their club but follows it up with saying but people need to be held accountable for the relationships they keep. With the last bit left out (purposefully) it sounds a lot worse.

I'd argue that bit being left out puts her in a better light. The bit in bold just immediately brings up the obvious double standards in everyone's minds. 

[r0cafella]

She should have given a political answer imo. Just say your only focus is NUFC and leave it at that. 

[Dr Venkman]

Also I would suggest that if you’re fretting about the future of NUFC based on possible future break down of relations between nations, you may want to reflect on your priorities.

 

That’s not a criticism of people supporting the team right now, I’m doing it.

[Wilson]

1 hour ago, Mattoon said:

The full quote makes for better context, she said she feels bad that someone is losing their club but follows it up with saying but people need to be held accountable for the relationships they keep. With the last bit left out (purposefully) it sounds a lot worse.

 

I'm with you on this one.  My immediaye reaction was it had been left out as it doesn't make her sound like a bastard. 

[Sima]

1 hour ago, Doctor Zaius said:

Why was there a need for Staveley to comment of Abramovich at Chelsea anyway?

 

It really is a stupid quote like.

It was an attempt to trip her up and unsettle the harmony at the club.  Unfortunately she’s fallen right into their trap.

 

She’s learning on the job hugely.  The sooner we get a more media-savvy CEO in the better.  Don’t want that to come across as too much of a criticism as both her and Ghodoussi have mostly faultless.

[David Edgar]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

She should have given a political answer imo. Just say your only focus is NUFC and leave it at that. 

 

She isn't very good at interviews.

[number9shirt]

2 hours ago, r0cafella said:

She should have given a political answer imo. Just say your only focus is NUFC and leave it at that. 

She was talking about Abramovic but what she said was about Newcastle.

[buzz]

7 hours ago, JonBez comesock said:

What’s the chances of PIF being forced to sell as well ? 
 

Hence Staveley sticking up for Abramovich 

 

it’s seems there might be a crack down and we could be next the line ? 

 

At present the working relationship between Saudi Arabia and the West is such that there's no basis for a "crackdown". But as we've seen, geopolitics is volatile and that could all change in the future.

 

By all accounts PIF and co. want to be here long term (20 plus years), but whether that actually happens or not remains to be seen. The fact we are owned by a sovereign wealth fund does mean we need to be aware of this.

 

Don't get too attached to anything basically. 

[Hank Marvin]

These people who attempt to promote themselves as a paragon of morality whilst the sport their involved in is awash with corrupt money from around the world, and to single out Amanda for saying that Abaramovich who has been nothing but an excellent steward of his club is being harshly treated for being Russian and wealthy, is utterly absurd.

 

What the fuck exactly beyond being Russian and wealthy has Abramovich got to do with Vladimir Putin's geopolitical ambitions & foreign policy? Do they think old Vlad is taking the council of a middle-aged Ruski playboy who's main ambition is to win pieces of shiny metal for his swanky London club?

 

And if they want to talk about collective punishment as a means of putting pressure on Putin - Shouldn't the same go when this country is involved in illegal middle-eastern wars that kill millions of poor and working class people who never asked for their country to be invaded by the UK and the USA? Perhaps English clubs, and wealthy English people should be frozen out of sport and out of the economic system every time we go on some adventurist war on behalf of the international elite and American Neo-cons?

 

Before these berks open their mouths, they should start with "I, hypocrite".

 

 

Edited March 4, 2022 by Hank Marvin

[The Prophet]

I'm not sure how support for Ukraine will come across when the country with majority control of our club are levelling the fuck out of Yemen.

[macphisto]

27 minutes ago, buzz said:

 

At present the working relationship between Saudi Arabia and the West is such that there's no basis for a "crackdown". But as we've seen, geopolitics is volatile and that could all change in the future.

 

By all accounts PIF and co. want to be here long term (20 plus years), but whether that actually happens or not remains to be seen. The fact we are owned by a sovereign wealth fund does mean we need to be aware of this.

 

Don't get too attached to anything basically. 

That kind of logic could apply to any owner as anything could happen to an owner. I also wouldn't worry too much about geopolitics in our case as international relations is not that volatile; Russia has never been an ally of the West.