Yorkie Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 No surprise at the contemptuous shit-guzzlers within the support. There's absolutely zero chance of there being a collective opposition sufficient enough in size to affect any sort of change. It'll be entirely down to lobbyists like the Trust and other vocal groups/individuals. See the years 2014-2019 for evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Yorkie said: No surprise at the contemptuous shit-guzzlers within the support. There's absolutely zero chance of there being a collective opposition sufficient enough in size to affect any sort of change. It'll be entirely down to lobbyists like the Trust and other vocal groups/individuals. See the years 2014-2019 for evidence. Yep, the same shithouses who are gloating today will be the same who castigated the fans who walked away in protest in 2019. You can just sense that these cunts are quietly enjoying the fact that some people will be priced out of games, as it will make them feel superior as a fan. Grim as fuck, quite frankly, and makes you wonder if the game today is worth following. What's the point, if the people you are rubbing shoulders with are just complete ballsacks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, TBG said: I'm not saying it makes it right, but aren't our tickets relatively "cheap" compared to other clubs? We lambast the previous ownership for tanking revenue, and again I'm not saying it makes it right, but increasing tickets has always felt a matter of time. They are cheaper yeah. Like I've said elsewhere, I can make peace (begrudgingly) with that fact as I'd hope it's to help push the club on. Problem I'm finding is that its still a bit of a shitshow behind the scenes with very little clarity when you do get a response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) Perhaps an extreme side of this whole shambles, but Liverpool fans in 2016 walked out of a game on the 77th minute in protest at some general admission tickets becoming 77 quid. LFC relented as a result and reduced the prices. Even now I believe the most expensive general admission ticket at Liverpool is ~£60. Not a chance our lot even remotely consider doing something similar, it'll just be letters from NUST asking for clarity (and I have nothing against NUST, do think those like Greg do their absolute best). For arguments sake, a 74th minute walkout for 74 quid would never be entertained. It'd shouted down and be seen as negatively impacting the club/team. So many are just servile as fuck especially now as seen going into bat for price increases and random seat allocation. Its so disheartening. Edited August 1, 2023 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 28 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Born in '87 and as far back as I can remember it always has had a significant amount of absolute wankers within it. As we saw with that Hollie lass, you’re not a true supporter if you don’t go either by choice or chance, or can’t afford to go to games, until all of a sudden they can’t go and then it’s the club in the wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Imagine for a second you want to go on holiday and you wanted to book a flight with British Airways. They then say yep, great, but we’ll put you in a ballot for seats. You want to take your young child with you and you wanted an aisle seat for easy access. You’re successful, you got your ticket. But wait it’s Business Class or First Class. You’d kick off with BA wouldn’t you? Just because it’s your football club doesn’t make it any less deplorable. I might be able to afford it, for now. I couldn’t do that every game. I can guarantee poorer sections of the support are now totally priced out. It’s sickening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 minute ago, TheGuv said: Imagine for a second you want to go on holiday and you wanted to book a flight with British Airways. They then say yep, great, but we’ll put you in a ballot for seats. You want to take your young child with you and you wanted an aisle seat for easy access. You’re successful, you got your ticket. But wait it’s Business Class or First Class. You’d kick off with BA wouldn’t you? Just because it’s your football club doesn’t make it any less deplorable. I might be able to afford it, for now. I couldn’t do that every game. I can guarantee poorer sections of the support are now totally priced out. It’s sickening. Let them eat sheikh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Is this for the season or could Liverpool at home be £55 to £105 or something mental? I'm guessing this is another thing they haven't clarified? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: Perhaps an extreme side of this whole shambles, but Liverpool fans in 2016 walked out of a game on the 77th minute in protest at some general admission tickets becoming 77 quid. LFC relented as a result and reduced the prices. Even now I believe the most expensive general admission ticket at Liverpool is ~£60. Not a chance out lot even remotely consider doing something similar, it'll just be letters from NUST asking for clarity (and I have nothing against NUST, do think those like Greg do their absolute best). For arguments sake, a 74th minute walkout for 74 quid would never be entertained, shouted down and be seen as negatively impacting the club/team. So many are just servile as fuck especially now as seen going into bat for price increases and random seat allocation. Its so disheartening. Also a lot of the people going to games now are season ticket holders who never jacked it in when they wanted Ashley out and even pushed others to walk out and didn’t do it themselves. They have their tickets, they won’t walk out, and if others do, that’s great because that means they can snap up the extra tickets for their ‘mates’ who for whatever reason are excluded for not being a real fan despite not going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Decky said: Is this for the season or could Liverpool at home be £55 to £105 or something mental? I'm guessing this is another thing they haven't clarified? Probably, given Villa is not a category A game. That'd be one heck of a price increase; I sat in the Platinum Club for Liverpool (H) last season as I was too far back in the queue to get my usual place in the East Stand. It was £67. Given Villa (H) looks like it'll be £74 there, Liverpool this season could genuinely be £90+. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: Probably, given Villa is not a category A game. That'd be one heck of a price increase; I sat in the Platinum Club for Liverpool (H) last season as I was too far back in the queue to get my usual place in the East Stand. It was £67. Given Villa (H) looks like it'll be £74 there, Liverpool this season could genuinely be £90+. Join the ballot and potentially pay a ton or more for a ticket would be absolutely crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Can we fuck Pete Silverstone off back to Arsenal please? The Emirates was one of the worst places you could watch football in the country. Padded seats, expensive tickets and 0 atmosphere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 I feel like all the kicking off about ticket process is a bit people wanting to have their cake and eat it. People want us to compete for trophies. FFP is the major barrier to that. Which means we need to increase revenue. Which in turn means everything (especiallly tickets) will go up in price. Everything has a cost, and this is the price of success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, stozo said: I feel like all the kicking off about ticket process is a bit people wanting to have their cake and eat it. People want us to compete for trophies. FFP is the major barrier to that. Which means we need to increase revenue. Which in turn means everything (especiallly tickets) will go up in price. Everything has a cost, and this is the price of success. I wonder what the reaction would be if ST holders were put into a ballot for their seats and were told you had to pay £2000 for a Platinum Club seat? If 85,000 memberships is true. The club has made around £3m for it. About £2m more than last season. In the terms of FFP it is frankly peanuts… Edited August 1, 2023 by TheGuv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 24 minutes ago, Stifler said: Also a lot of the people going to games now are season ticket holders who never jacked it in when they wanted Ashley out and even pushed others to walk out and didn’t do it themselves. They have their tickets, they won’t walk out, and if others do, that’s great because that means they can snap up the extra tickets for their ‘mates’ who for whatever reason are excluded for not being a real fan despite not going. I have asked this again and again about the Trust and True Faith? I was wholly disengaged at the time, but am I right in thinking they encouraged others to get rid of their season tickets while keeping hold of their own? And promised consultation with the club and new owners about loyalty points that they were quite obviously in no way placed to guarantee? Almost have to admire the moxie really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 I now feel fantastic that the potential £74 I do not get a choice to pay or not for a seat goes towards the Livramento deal. Toon Toon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 minute ago, stozo said: I feel like all the kicking off about ticket process is a bit people wanting to have their cake and eat it. People want us to compete for trophies. FFP is the major barrier to that. Which means we need to increase revenue. Which in turn means everything (especiallly tickets) will go up in price. Everything has a cost, and this is the price of success. It is inevitable that ticket prices will go up and that corporate options will increase. What is wrong is that you can't set a maximum price when you enter the ballot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Chris Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) The club know they can sell the tickets ten times over so they’ve little incentive to treat people fairly - other than bad PR perhaps. Arsenal operate a similar system apparently. They may have just looked at what other clubs do and copied/pasted. I don’t see why it would be so difficult for them to add a ‘category select function’, so people who only want the cheaper tickets can specify so when they enter the ballot. I reckon they will do something to be fair, they’ve responded to criticism pretty well up til now? Edited August 1, 2023 by NUFC_Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, stozo said: I feel like all the kicking off about ticket process is a bit people wanting to have their cake and eat it. People want us to compete for trophies. FFP is the major barrier to that. Which means we need to increase revenue. Which in turn means everything (especiallly tickets) will go up in price. Everything has a cost, and this is the price of success. People also don't factor in rising cost of salaries as higher calibre players come in. We are soon going to be shelling out 200k/week to our better players, that's got to come from somewhere as well. And yes, ticket prices are obscene, but so are those wages. It's an awful situation, because the alternative is to run the club Ashley style, keep the costs lower, pay less to players, and you get to watch awful football for the privelege. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Just now, NUFC_Chris said: The club know they can sell the tickets ten times over so they’ve little incentive to treat people fairly - other than bad PR perhaps. Arsenal operate a similar system apparently. Perhaps they’ve just looked at what other clubs do and copied/pasted. I don’t see why it would be so difficult for them to add a ‘category select function’, so people who only want the cheaper tickets can specify so when they enter the ballot. I reckon they will do something to be fair, they’ve responded to criticism pretty well up til now? What criticism? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Slightly off topic but a generic FYI on this thread. Unfortunately my ITK pal no longer works within the higher echelons of the club. But you can bookmark this quote for future. If we go on a bad run this season, don’t be surprised for Howe to be sacked and Mourinho to come in… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheGuv said: I wonder what the reaction would be if ST holders were put into a ballot for their seats and were told you had to pay £2000 for a Platinum Club seat? If 85,000 memberships is true. The club has made around £3m for it. About £2m more than last season. In the terms of FFP it is frankly peanuts… Most of what we do (bar front of shirt sponsor etc.) will likely be ‘FFP peanuts’ of a few million. But by building a few million at a time, you get to tens of millions, which gives you the FFP headroom. In many ways, I wish football hadn’t gone the way it has - but if we want success, driving revenue as high as possible is the way to get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 minute ago, TheGuv said: Slightly off topic but a generic FYI on this thread. Unfortunately my ITK pal no longer works within the higher echelons of the club. But you can bookmark this quote for future. If we go on a bad run this season, don’t be surprised for Howe to be sacked and Mourinho to come in… That would be fucking awful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 minute ago, TheGuv said: Slightly off topic but a generic FYI on this thread. Unfortunately my ITK pal no longer works within the higher echelons of the club. But you can bookmark this quote for future. If we go on a bad run this season, don’t be surprised for Howe to be sacked and Mourinho to come in… Sorry like but I would be surprised. What the fuck would Mourinho do with the same squad that Howe hasn't already done better? The only way you can get better results than we are getting is to ignore FFP and just start throwing money at superstars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Just now, stozo said: Most of what we do (bar front of shirt sponsor etc.) will likely be ‘FFP peanuts’ of a few million. But by building a few million at a time, you get to tens of millions, which gives you the FFP headroom. In many ways, I wish football hadn’t gone the way it has - but if we want success, driving revenue as high as possible is the way to get it. There’s plenty of ways to skin a cat to raise money and the Club haven’t done it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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