PIF and RB Sports & Media

[Abacus]

  On 31/12/2023 at 09:19, Menace said:

Completely off topic, but when our takeover got denied - did Nick DeMarco actually help with the appeal process or did Masters just approve it after they settled the BeOutQ thing? Meaning DeMarco didn't actually do anything?

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I don't suppose we know, but I suspect that our various legal challenges helped box them into a corner so clearing the way for it to happen once the piracy issue was settled.

 

I still remember trying to be at work when there was that court case live on stream and nearly crashing the website with us following it like an away game , where the PL's lawyers were absolutely fewmin. So personally think it was a combination of the two things, but I'm speculating there.

[PauloGeordio]

  On 31/12/2023 at 09:23, Menace said:

 I remember our fanbase dissecting every single photo as if he was making hints at our takeover. What a time to be alive.

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this is the tweet from De Marco when I knew without a shadow of a doubt it was #Cans! 
 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2023 by PauloGeordio

[Dr.Spaceman]

  On 31/12/2023 at 09:15, madras said:

I wonder if PIF would have gone ahead with the takeover had they known about FMV etc ? and I wonder if we've lived up to expectations as a project (ie size of sponsorship deals, corporate reach etc) ?

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I thought this, but it's the same for all clubs, right? The longer the likes of Chelsea & Man Utd are out of the picture in terms of CL football the more obvious the whole ruse becomes. If one of the "other 14" clubs sustains strong finishes in the league the more questions will be asked if we're repeatedly smashing our heads off the glass ceiling being imposed on us. It'll be challenged eventually, I just think AS & PIF are waiting for someone else to pull the trigger.

 

I think they always knew it was going to be a slow burner.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2023 by Dr.Spaceman

[PauloGeordio]

  On 31/12/2023 at 09:31, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

I thought this, but it's the same for all clubs, right? The longer the likes of Chelsea & Man Utd are out of the picture in terms of CL football the more obvious the whole ruse becomes. If one of the "other 14" clubs sustains strong finishes in the league the more questions will be asked if we're repeatedly smashing our heads off the glass ceiling being imposed on us. It'll be challenged eventually, I just think AS & PIF are waiting for someone else to pull the trigger.

 

I think they always knew it was going to be a slow burner.

 

 

 

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Sure there was talk of a 10 year plan? Obviously sooner is better. But a slow burner yes. 

[Shak]

We've put in a couple of years of playing nice with FFP, would very much like for it to go away so we can compete on something of a level playing field with the top teams.

 

Wouldn't like to see us go and do what Chelsea have done, simply because it seems unlikely to succeed. But we clearly needed a couple more players last summer and had we been able to bring them in our season would likely have looked a lot different so far.

[Dokko]

Really hoped the club would have backed Howe as quickly as possible and had a couple of bodies through the door on the 1st. 

[PauloGeordio]

  On 31/12/2023 at 14:12, Dokko said:

Really hoped the club would have backed Howe as quickly as possible and had a couple of bodies through the door on the 1st. 

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Still time it’s the 31st! ?

[TheBrownBottle]

  On 31/12/2023 at 14:12, Dokko said:

Really hoped the club would have backed Howe as quickly as possible and had a couple of bodies through the door on the 1st. 

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They haven’t been quick out of the traps in any of the windows.  I think George Caulkin said a while back that the approvals process for transfers isn’t particularly quick, as everything has to run through Riyadh?

[Miggys First Goal]

Can they not do the approvals process prior to the window opens so we can get down to business once it does?

 

 

Edited December 31, 2023 by Miggys First Goal

[loki679]

  On 31/12/2023 at 18:36, Miggys First Goal said:

Can they not do the approvals process prior to the window opens so we can get down to business once it does?

 

 

 

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Edited January 1, 2024 by loki679

[Miggys First Goal]

Be nice, @loki679

[TheBrownBottle]

  On 01/01/2024 at 01:45, loki679 said:

 

 

 

 

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It hasn’t occurred to the folks who run the club in fairness

[Gallowgate Toon]

Not sure if there's a post on here or Tweet that already covers this but what's our supposed current FFP position? Feels like we've got the additional CL revenue coming in this season + new commercial avenues. Are we expected to have any additional wiggle room from that?

[r0cafella]

  On 01/01/2024 at 22:31, Gallowgate Toon said:

Not sure if there's a post on here or Tweet that already covers this but what's our supposed current FFP position? Feels like we've got the additional CL revenue coming in this season + new commercial avenues. Are we expected to have any additional wiggle room from that?

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The athletic have reported we have a small amount of room, not much though. 

[FloydianMag]

Given that we need to increase revenue streams to prevent us from falling foul of FFP I’m surprised stadium naming rights, training kit and training ground sponsors haven’t been announced. They’d both bring in significant amounts of revenue, strange.

[TheBrownBottle]

  On 02/01/2024 at 18:10, FloydianMag said:

Given that we need to increase revenue streams to prevent us from falling foul of FFP I’m surprised stadium naming rights, training kit and training ground sponsors haven’t been announced. They’d both bring in significant amounts of revenue, strange.

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I don’t think our shiny new commercial team has done a particularly good job to date tbh.  The Sela and Noon deals were PIF ones; getting adidas to do your football kits is hardly the deal of the century. 

[FloydianMag]

  On 02/01/2024 at 18:25, TheBrownBottle said:

I don’t think our shiny new commercial team has done a particularly good job to date tbh.  The Sela and Noon deals were PIF ones; getting adidas to do your football kits is hardly the deal of the century. 

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Could there be other reasons? Like challenging FMV for related party sponsorships, after all it didn’t exist until our takeover.

[Unbelievable]

  On 02/01/2024 at 18:25, TheBrownBottle said:

I don’t think our shiny new commercial team has done a particularly good job to date tbh.  The Sela and Noon deals were PIF ones; getting adidas to do your football kits is hardly the deal of the century. 

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The clue is in the bolded bit. We have a fairly new team of people trying to raise interest in associating with a brand that for the past decade and a half has been associated with toxic mediocrity. Like everything else the commercial side’s growth of the club will be gradual but certain under these owners.

[TheBrownBottle]

  On 02/01/2024 at 18:33, FloydianMag said:

Could there be other reasons? Like challenging FMV for related party sponsorships, after all it didn’t exist until our takeover.

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It wouldn’t prevent related party sponsorships if they’re not overboard (can’t remember if the limit is £1m or £500k where FMV doesn’t apply, also).

 

How much does it cost to be Man Utd’s official tractor partner?  Then knock 75-80% off that  

[TheBrownBottle]

  On 02/01/2024 at 18:34, Unbelievable said:

The clue is in the bolded bit. We have a fairly new team of people trying to raise interest in associating with a brand that for the past decade and a half has been associated with toxic mediocrity. Like everything else the commercial side’s growth of the club will be gradual but certain under these owners.

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They’re not that new in fairness.  A year and a half is plenty of time to get some deals in. 

[FloydianMag]

  On 02/01/2024 at 18:37, TheBrownBottle said:

It wouldn’t prevent related party sponsorships if they’re not overboard (can’t remember if the limit is £1m or £500k where FMV doesn’t apply, also).

 

How much does it cost to be Man Utd’s official tractor partner?  Then knock 75-80% off that  

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That’s the point of FMV though, its’s designed to prevent us from having the same levels of sponsorship as the rest of the top 6. The related party shite is anti competitive.

[TheBrownBottle]

  On 02/01/2024 at 18:46, FloydianMag said:

That’s the point of FMV though, its’s designed to prevent us from having the same levels of sponsorship as the rest of the top 6. The related party shite is anti competitive.

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FMV is the dodgiest part of the ‘FFP’ shite for me.  Other clubs deciding what another club should be able to bring in.  
 

We know this would be thrown out in any adjudication - it’s lunacy by the PL clubs. 

[FloydianMag]

  On 02/01/2024 at 18:47, TheBrownBottle said:

FMV is the dodgiest part of the ‘FFP’ shite for me.  Other clubs deciding what another club should be able to bring in.  
 

We know this would be thrown out in any adjudication - it’s lunacy by the PL clubs. 

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When the PL first introduced FMV in 2021 I’m sure Amanda did tell the meeting that what they were doing was a breach of Competition Law, then they attempted to make it more onerous last November and failed. There is also the fact that the other top 6 clubs believe their sponsorship deals should be higher due to history, heritage and coefficients is also a load of bollocks. The whole lot needs to be swept away so there is a level playing field, including FFP.

[Gallowgate Toon]

  On 02/01/2024 at 18:38, TheBrownBottle said:

They’re not that new in fairness.  A year and a half is plenty of time to get some deals in. 

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Word on the street is that Silverstone is a bit frustrated at the team he has at his disposal currently but we are incrementally improving that side of the club. 

 

On the flipside, the club (and industry) doesn't pay that well compared to alternatives so it's kind of their own fault 

[Stifler]

PSG have just opened up a club store in Toronto, they opened up one in London last year, as well as ones in New York, Miami etc. They also have a dozen dotted about in Japan, and South Korea.

I wonder how long it will be until we get to be like that.