The "delighted Ashley has gone, but uncomfortable with Saudi ownership" thread

[relámpago blanco]

7 minutes ago, UncleBingo said:

The plan all along was to buy NUFC as a feeder team, for the emerging Saudi super clubs.

 

Discuss.

 

 

 

Crock of shit

[gjohnson]

6 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said:

Crock of shit

Indeed....more likely use Saudi Clubs as a method of funnelling good players to us for cheap ?

[Dancing Brave]

1 hour ago, UncleBingo said:

The plan all along was to buy NUFC as a feeder team, for the emerging Saudi super clubs.

 

Discuss.

 

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, UncleBingo said:

The plan all along was to buy NUFC as a feeder team, for the emerging Saudi super clubs.

 

Discuss.

 

 

 

I suspect that they view them as vehicles with completely different goals.  The Premier League is the world's 'glamour league' at present - buying and owning a successful PL club will be good for 'Brand KSA'.

 

Improving the KSA league will be about 1) strengthening their league generally (it is their money) 2) raising the profile of KSA football worldwide generally and 3) as part of a KSA WC 2030 bid.

 

Should NUFC achieve success and become a major player in Europe, I'd anticipate them competing in a lot of close season tournaments in KSA against the elite KSA clubs, with the KSA govt looking on like a Roman emperor at a gladiator show.  A successful KSA-owned PL club and a KSA league are not mutually exclusive

[Pandamninator]

4 hours ago, UncleBingo said:

The plan all along was to buy NUFC as a feeder team, for the emerging Saudi super clubs.

 

Discuss.

 

 

 

There are plenty of better, cheaper alternatives for that.

 

Wouldn't it make sense to buy one of the clubs that already have an established reputation as a conveyor belt of talent vs spunking 350 million on a club who's 21st century development highlights are Andy Carroll, Paul Dummett and Peter Ramage 

[BGRM]

5 hours ago, UncleBingo said:

The plan all along was to buy NUFC as a feeder team, for the emerging Saudi super clubs.

 

Discuss.

 

 

 

[Mills and Boon]

11 hours ago, UncleBingo said:

The plan all along was to buy NUFC as a feeder team, for the emerging Saudi super clubs.

 

Discuss.

 

 

 

 

Why would they need a feeder team in the Premier League? Couldn't they just do what they're doing now, having not bothered to buy us at all?

 

Why aren't we being used as a feeder team? No one from our club seems to be on the way there, even the lads not good enough for us but much better than their standard of player.

 

Other than it not making any kind of sense, it's a canny guess at the Saudi master plan 

[huss9]

https://www.sportbible.com/football/liverpool-jordan-henderson-saudi-arabia-transfer-236242-20230704

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, huss9 said:

https://www.sportbible.com/football/liverpool-jordan-henderson-saudi-arabia-transfer-236242-20230704

 

Reads like a challenge to him... how much of a hypocrite are you for massive amounts of money?

[Likelylad]

I've just heard someone say on TS that Henderson could be an agent for change by going to Saudi. 

Now the others have their heads in the Saudi trough. The whole conversations changes. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Jordon Henderson arrives and turns the Saudi regime around, seems realistic

[gbandit]

2 minutes ago, Likelylad said:

I've just heard someone say on TS that Henderson could be an agent for change by going to Saudi. 

Now the others have their heads in the Saudi trough. The whole conversations changes. 

Hahaha, that’s absolutely class. There are so few “good faith” people in the debate about Saudi Arabia. As soon as it affects them personally or their club, so much changes in the way they talk about the regime. Personally, I think a lot of NUFC fans have taken the exact right line that nothing is going to improve or change in Saudi Arabia and it is poisonous for us that we’re owned by them but we love football and love our club and nothing will change that 

[Whitley mag]

Some Newcastle fans deserve Mike Ashley to return due to being ungrateful thick cunts, who can’t go 2 weeks without a signing, have a melt down if we lose and really lose their shit if PIF have the audacity to spend their money on another sporting venture.

 

A far more appropriate topic for discussion.

[Pixelphish]

Think it's just nufc twitter tbh.

[patrone]

Was there the same amount of discussion when the Chinese Super League were doing the same thing?

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

21 minutes ago, Likelylad said:

I've just heard someone say on TS that Henderson could be an agent for change by going to Saudi. 

Now the others have their heads in the Saudi trough. The whole conversations changes. 

 

17 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Hahaha, that’s absolutely class. There are so few “good faith” people in the debate about Saudi Arabia. As soon as it affects them personally or their club, so much changes in the way they talk about the regime. Personally, I think a lot of NUFC fans have taken the exact right line that nothing is going to improve or change in Saudi Arabia and it is poisonous for us that we’re owned by them but we love football and love our club and nothing will change that 

I love the ‘footballer will change KSA’ shite. 
 

Ever notice how no-one ever suggests that the footballer might go there and become a Wahhabist crank?  I think that’s more likely (even if unlikely) than Jordan fucking Henderson changing KSA into a liberal democracy. 

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, Likelylad said:

I've just heard someone say on TS that Henderson could be an agent for change by going to Saudi. 

Now the others have their heads in the Saudi trough. The whole conversations changes. 

 

Finding this whole thing so pitiful man.

 

Fans all now celebrating Saudi clubs buying their past it players so they can go and buy new ones.

 

As always suspected, everyone's so called morals are all empty gestures.

 

Where are the protests against accepting these bids and dealing with Saudi clubs? Or the protests against their former players accepting offers to play in Saudi?

 

So humiliating man.

[Disco]

I’m sure this will lead to hyper normal takes.

[huss9]

ooo, wonder if he takes in a home game?

[TRon]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

 

I love the ‘footballer will change KSA’ shite. 
 

Ever notice how no-one ever suggests that the footballer might go there and become a Wahhabist crank?  I think that’s more likely (even if unlikely) than Jordan fucking Henderson changing KSA into a liberal democracy. 

 

Why would they need to spend billions on buying football clubs to change them into Wahabist cranks? I really don't see any chain of thought where that would work.

[TRon]

This whole debate around Saudis ploughing billions into football is an interesting one though. You just have to look at the PL club following around the world to see there is a massive and growing fanbase across Asia and Africa for football. It makes sense for projects like the Saudi Pro League to try and get their own thing going, although it's a huge undertaking. China tried to do something similar, but maybe for political reasons decided to focus on developing locally first which for them probably makes more sense.

[GeordieDazzler]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

This whole debate around Saudis ploughing billions into football is an interesting one though. You just have to look at the PL club following around the world to see there is a massive and growing fanbase across Asia and Africa for football. It makes sense for projects like the Saudi Pro League to try and get their own thing going, although it's a huge undertaking. China tried to do something similar, but maybe for political reasons decided to focus on developing locally first which for them probably makes more sense.

China was people trying to curry political favour with the state whereas In Saudi it is the state.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, GeordieDazzler said:

China was people trying to curry political favour with the state whereas In Saudi it is the state.

 

Which people were trying to curry favour?

 

 

[Mills and Boon]

1 hour ago, Whitley mag said:

Some Newcastle fans deserve Mike Ashley to return due to being ungrateful thick cunts, who can’t go 2 weeks without a signing, have a melt down if we lose and really lose their shit if PIF have the audacity to spend their money on another sporting venture.

 

A far more appropriate topic for discussion.

 

Are you in my WhatsApp group?

 

Absolutely sick of the flappers every time any player goes anywhere except to us

[TheBrownBottle]

23 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Why would they need to spend billions on buying football clubs to change them into Wahabist cranks? I really don't see any chain of thought where that would work.

It wouldn’t - what I was criticising was the notion put out that a handful of footballers going to Saudi Arabia is likely to change the culture there.  What is never suggested is the opposite - that perhaps footballers will move there and change to conform with that culture.  And the latter, while unlikely, is still more likely than the former.