Dokko Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 12:21, Andy said: Was under the impression it was closer to £250m, which sounds a lot but doesn't go that far when you've been promoted from the pits of English football and had to overhaul an entire squad. Expand But it’s the money that did it. Had there been no investment like many of the clubs down there then they’d still be down there and Howe another championship manager at best. He spent the 250m in the prem and 80m to get them there from the championship. It’s not difficult with that kind of backing. If KLD threw £80m at Lee Johnson he’d have a very good chance of getting Sunderland to the prem and 250m keeps them there. It’s unheard of levels of cash. ive not checked but I reckon wilder did it on a fraction of the budget, in quicker time and high finish, yet we wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole. Funny how Howe demands respect from some quarters for his achievements yet there is very little that separates the 2 apart from Howe talks a good story and seems to be more palatable & trendy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I do hope if it is Howe, everyone gets behind him, underwhelmed or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Brilliant, another British manager we can hound out like the disgusting bastards we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Seriously tho, if the best we can muster is howe it is a very underwhelming start under this consortium Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I'm trying to console myself with looking at how things work in Germany - they're always looking downwards, unafraid to hire a 'lower' coach or give senior power to someone else's youth coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 After one good season in the premier league it became a case of the more money he spent the lower they slid down the table each year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Can anyone actually say with any conviction that Fonseca would be a good fit and why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 12:28, ManDoon said: But it was widely reported that fonseca wanted it? That he was basically waiting on the green light from the club. I find it wild to choose Howe over him personally. Expand To me that always seemed like it came from Fonseca's side and not the club tbh. What's not to say the club where impressed with the vision and the way Howe interviewed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shush Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I thought we were going to be announcing the DoF style management infrastructure first, and then a manager after. Surprised we seem to have parked the DoF/infrastructure side and going for a manager, when a manager will want to know what structure they will have to contend with. that could make or break the deal. Unless we expect them to bring/recommend who they want for the structure as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) If this has seriously been derailed by a press leak, from anyone at our club, whoever has leaked it needs to be identified and be gone immediately. I'm still hoping this is just Emery / Villarreal trying to go for damage limitation in the press. But, we'll see. Edited November 3, 2021 by Abacus . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 12:24, ManDoon said: I mean I hate Ashley but I don’t see how (lol) these initial decisions aren’t even that hard really. Expand We've got the stink of hopelessness about us right now and are miles behind a Villareal in the way we were run. The position we're hiring for is about reputation and the risk of losing any sort of accreditation as a manager would be top of mind. If I was Emery, who just won a CHAMPIONS LEAGUE match last night, I'd have some reservations about joining a club as seemingly dysfunctional as ours at the moment. It's going to take us years to get to where Villareal are with much more risk to future employment if it all goes pear shaped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 12:12, Dokko said: All the money in the world and after 4 weeks this is your best effort. Christ. Utterly underwhelming appointment. One for the brexiteers. Expand I do think people on here overestimated how attractive a job it is at the moment. Emery would have been a massive coup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Bruce to Jones to Howe. The road to becoming champions within 5 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 12:27, The Prophet said: I do hope if it is Howe, everyone gets behind him, underwhelmed or not. Expand Of course, he’s not a massive cunt and is several tiers above what we’ve just had but we will be looking to replace him first opportunity, think someone more established grows with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) On 03/11/2021 at 12:24, Carlito said: Absolutely. Howe is massively overrated. Expand How can he be ”massively overrated” when a lot of people don’t rate him at all, and the ones who do, like myself, think he’s ok-ish? Edited November 3, 2021 by Collage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 12:31, Dokko said: Of course, he’s not a massive cunt and is several tiers above what we’ve just had but we will be looking to replace him first opportunity, think someone more established grows with us. Expand If he comes I hope it is a deal to the end of the season then a review Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 12:31, triggs said: I do think people on here overestimated how attractive a job it is at the moment. Emery would have been a massive coup Expand Yes it’s a shite situation and tbh I struggled to see why Emery would leave a cushy number in spain, in cl for us in our position but we obviously got some kind of good vibes from him that he was willing. That’s not something we as fans have made up in our heads so managers of his ilk are at least tempted. Had he not have a job then he’d be appointed by now. There are still managers out there on the same level not attached. AVB, Fonesca etc…let’s go get one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 if Howe comes in I will support him. But he, the NUFC fans, opposing fans, MSM will know he wasn't 1st choice and I think the atmosphere at SJP will soon sink back to what it was before the last 2 home games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 12:33, Collage said: How can he be ”massively overrated” when a lot of people don’t rate him at all, and the ones who do, like myself, think he’s ok-ish? Expand In general among our fanbase he clearly is. Might not be on here but just have a look on twitter for example. He's basically the Martin O'Neill of 2021. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) Howe would be an interesting appointment in the sense that no one really knows whether he’s good or not. Spin the wheel. Edited November 3, 2021 by christ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 12:30, The Prophet said: Can anyone actually say with any conviction that Fonseca would be a good fit and why? Expand All the noise was coming from Fonseca's camp. Portuguese at work tell me he's one to avoid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 12:34, morpeth mag said: If he comes I hope it is a deal to the end of the season then a review Expand Then we could have had someone in, maybe even him for the Tottenham game. I think he’s here for a good 3 years if he doesn’t relegate us this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) Still clinging onto the hope that the Emery stuff is all part of some shithouse negotiation strategy on his side Edited November 3, 2021 by TheHoob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 12:35, neesy111 said: All the noise was coming from Fonseca's camp. Portuguese at work tell me he's one to avoid. Expand It’s a bit sus that his agent basically puts his name about for every vacancy going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 What has been said to determine that it's defo likely to be Howe if it isn't Emery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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