Guest Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, Geogaddi said: Its not even a great Man City league team either, 89 points isn't great for Pep in the league which shows how good he is. He has won it because everyone expects them to win the treble. I'm guessing if they'd needed to, and they didn't have two finals upcoming, they'd have beaten Brighton and Brentford with first-choice teams and ended on 94. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 In a way it's more impressive that Man City have won the league in second gear while prioritising the CL. I think Eddie deserved the award but the have been class this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) I disagree this City team not being their best actually, yes the points total is not as dominating as earlier ones (and the one that beat Liverpool by a point with ridiculous total probably has to be the benchmark) but I think if it wins the treble it has to be classified as the best he's done. Equally maybe it has more dips in quality, that demolishing of Real Madrid may be the best Man City performance I've ever watched. It was just complete, and felt similar to when Pep's Barca did the same to Real Madrid and you thought oh bloody hell this is just unplayable Edited May 31, 2023 by Tiresias Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Howe obviously fully deserves the award but he won't care and nor do I. Let us continue to go under the radar a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) Howe, Di Zerbi and Emery deserve it ahead of Pep in the league like. As mentioned ad infinitum the award is completely pointless if you just give it to the best team in the league's manager without them doing something out of the ordinary. Edited May 31, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabtoon Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) Eddie truly deserved manager of the Season, But we where screwed over By the Slipery6 and corrupt FA. Man City have breached FFP for over a decade & STILL nothing has been done about it. Things never change. Edited May 31, 2023 by prefabtoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 The best argument I can find for Pep is that he managed to win the PL at a canter while prioritising another competition. The way he has managed his squad has been incredible, although obviously that squad is packed full of world-class footballers. And the voting was held mainly before we had confirmed CL, like someone said above. Which is stupid in itself. Then again, Pep hasn't won the FA Cup or Champions League yet either (even though he obviously will). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number37 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Pep has actually won two awards here - LMA Manager of the Year and also Premier League Manager of the Year. It's not unreasonable he's won the LMA award with the expectation (but no guarantee) that the treble is on the cards, he's made the finals at the very least. I don't know/care if the LMA award is voted for by fellow managers so perhaps that's taken into consideration. The Premier League award has to go to Eddie - has to. I'm not going to repeat the mass of evidence that we've all put together but even objectively, even to the Brains Trust that hand out that multicoloured monstrosity, in the Premier League there has been no other manager that has performed better than Eddie Howe over the last year. As petty a man as I am, I couldn't help but be tickled that BT Sport referred to devout Catalan nationalist Pep Guardiola as a Spaniard. I hope it annoys him. Eddie doesn't seem one for personal awards anyway so I hope he's alright knowing he has our unwavering love, support and admiration to fall back on and our city is his. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I don't begrudge Pep winning it as he is fantastic and they have a very reasonable chance of doing the treble, but it does seem rather odd that Pardew won it in 2012 when our turnaround under Howe has been much more impressive? It seems to be given for performance in everything, given Klopp won it last year for finishing second but a chance at a quadruple. Also odd given Liverpool ended up with FA & League Cup and Man City still could (albeit unlikely) end with only the league. I say only with a pinch of salt, but we are at the stage where it's more or less expected for Man City to win the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said: I say only with a pinch of salt, but we are at the stage where it's more or less expected for Man City to win the league. Guess the question there is are they expected to win the league because Pep is such a brilliant manager. If so it shouldn't really count against him in this award. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) If you said at the start of the season Man City will win the league and get to the CL and FA cup finals, no one would bat an eyelid because it’s seen as standard. It’s a lazy choice. These awards don’t matter though, I doubt Guardiola and Eddie care if they win or lose it. Edited May 31, 2023 by Kimbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Absolutely criminal how Eddie didn't win the Premier League manager of the year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveready Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Set a dangerous precedent here. If it was won this year by the manager of the clear favourites before the season, after winning last year and adding Haaland, then surely whoever wins the league wins manager of the year moving forward - unless they're even bigger favourites than Man City were this year and win by a smaller margin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Cf said: Howe obviously fully deserves the award but he won't care and nor do I. Let us continue to go under the radar a bit. Church Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 A 3-peat is a massive achievement tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I don't like the idea we should disregard Guardiola's achievements because he had Haaland. Haaland went from 22 goals in last year's Bundesliga to 36 in the Premier League. He's put together and coached the team that has allowed Haaland to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) Haaland only played 24 games in the Bundesliga last year (even if fully fit throughout you still play four fewer than PL) and wasn't sole penalty taker like he has been at Man City. His goal rate is basically identical across the last two seasons. Edited May 31, 2023 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Isn't it the premier league manager of the season, and not combined with other tournaments? Pep has been able to put out a weakened team and coast the last few, how is that a big achievement? He's basically been able to take the piss because his team is so far ahead. I know who my manager of the season is so fuck the lot of them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sufi Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, BonesJones said: Isn't it the premier league manager of the season, and not combined with other tournaments? Pep has been able to put out a weakened team and coast the last few, how is that a big achievement? He's basically been able to take the piss because his team is so far ahead. I know who my manager of the season is so fuck the lot of them! This touches on a huge problem in how awards are given out in football and also in all sports around the world. There are NO rules. The MVP in the NBA is an example of this with Nikola Jokic arguably having his best season after coming off back to back MVP trophies, but missing out through voters fatigue to Joel Embiid (who I think you could make a case for) Even the Ballon D'Or can be criticized for the same. Eddie deserved it for sure. I'm not sure why being on course for the treble is a plus? I thought its an award for the most outstanding manager throughout the course of a PL season. What about Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea being out of the CL spots? Surely that makes it easier? Having Haaland breaking records isnt due to Pep. He's been scoring at this same rate (or more) forever. There needs to be a criteria for these awards... One option that has been floated around in other sports is having a month to month or week to week rating for managers, players etc. The winner could be the one who has the highest total score at the end of the season based on their performance. Edited June 1, 2023 by Sufi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Big reason everyone expected City to win is because of Guardiola. Dont mind him winning when they have a good chance of getting the treble. Any other year Howe would have won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookidge Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) My brother bought me what he thought was an autobiography by Eddie Howe, turns out it's a book written using chatgpt. Edited June 1, 2023 by cookidge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 What the fuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 My dad bought me the same book for Christmas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, cookidge said: My brother bought me what he thought was an autobiography by Eddie Howe, turns out it's a book written using chatgpt. Can we all get a copy of this masterpiece? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookidge Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, gbandit said: Can we all get a copy of this masterpiece? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Eddie-Howe-Tactics-Evolution-Football-ebook/dp/B0BMYLQJKD ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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