Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[HaydnNUFC]

10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We are attractive to managers a level above Howe with all of our PSR issues?

 

 

To avoid plagiarising @ponsaelius again, I'll just quote him. Away from what's being served up on the pitch atm, I think even he's a wee bit of an obstacle to that as per;

 

On 27/08/2024 at 11:22, ponsaelius said:

We've really lacked creativity and ruthlessness in the transfer market for me over the last 12 months. We all know we're basically bunged up with PSR but you have to find ways around it to keep moving forward, and I think we've lacked the dynamism and bravery to do so and things have become very stagnant. I definitely think Howe for as good as he is as a coach is potentially an issue with us navigating the next stage due to his approach to recruitment and playing style. We are in an awkward position.

 

 

10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I'm not even certain a manager like Emery is a definitive level above Howe and would come in and make a meaningful impact short, medium and long-term.

 

 

I mean, Emery has won numerous European trophies.  I don't think Howe has the nous tactically to win us something. 

 

10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

IMO bigger issues upstairs.

 

 

Agree that there's issues upstairs, the club as a whole seems incredibly reactive rather than proactive.

 

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by HaydnNUFC

[The College Dropout]

Ok cool - could we hire a multiple European cup winning manager? And give him the tools to succeed?

 

Villa are currently 6th.  1 place better than Howe managed last season. 

[HaydnNUFC]

6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Ok cool - could we hire a multiple European cup winning manager? And give him the tools to succeed?

 

Villa are currently 6th.  1 place better than Howe managed last season. 

 

Maybe, but that depends on who Mitchell et al target. But I think we are capable of attracting a manager that could well be a better one. And money that was being waved about for Guehi I assume is there, plus I'd want any manager that succeeds Howe either in the near future or long term that's proactive & ruthless in squad management and open to selling players at opportune moments to try and avoid the PSR wrecking ball.

 

6th whilst playing CL football as well, whilst we are currently 12th without Europe or major injuries to contend with outside of Botman.

[et tu brute]

26 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

 

Maybe take it up in the PIF thread and see if we can figure a way forward there.

He's like a broken record, non stop with the same shite based on fuck all 

[ponsaelius]

For what it's worth irrespective of my comments quoted above I'm also not convinced a different manager would necessarily be demonstrably better with this squad as it is. 

 

I think if we do make a change it has to be made with a very clear vision about how we plan to navigate PSR/squad building, rather than because we want to just roll the dice on some other bloke in the hope it improves. 

 

I'm strongly of the opinion that there's lots of good coaches out there, but they're only as good as the structure they're in and how that is aligned. I think whoever replaces Howe will have equally as many foibles as he does merits - even if they're slightly different than Eddie's.

 

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by ponsaelius

[80]

42 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

 

Maybe take it up in the PIF thread and see if we can figure a way forward there.

I've lost track of whose arguing with who about what and why. 

 

But what the board are up to has big implications for what can, should or will be done on the manager front. You can't really have a sensible discussion about it without them being involved. Potentially we bang our heads against a wall for years if we don't properly factor it in. 

 

We might have very fine ideas about what Howe or his successor should be able to achieve, but there's a chance it's all for nothing.

[Terrymac1966]

I would like a manager who actually plays new signings instead of this stupid long wait Howe insists on. Also getting players with slight knocks straight back in not this cotton wool rubbish. Joe Harvey played the fuckers whatever and they all seemed to cope.

[TRon]

51 minutes ago, 80 said:

I've lost track of whose arguing with who about what and why. 

 

But what the board are up to has big implications for what can, should or will be done on the manager front. You can't really have a sensible discussion about it without them being involved. Potentially we bang our heads against a wall for years if we don't properly factor it in. 

 

We might have very fine ideas about what Howe or his successor should be able to achieve, but there's a chance it's all for nothing.

 

 

I'll let TCD take this up then since he's the one who has queries about what the board/owners plans are. All he's said is that thinks they are the bigger issue, he wasn't really specific on how this relates to the manager.

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, TRon said:

 

 

I'll let TCD take this up then since he's the one who has queries about what the board/owners plans are. All he's said is that thinks they are the bigger issue, he wasn't really specific on how this relates to the manager.

I'm all over the PSR thread. @80 covered my points. Also this:

 

2 hours ago, ponsaelius said:

For what it's worth irrespective of my comments quoted above I'm also not convinced a different manager would necessarily be demonstrably better with this squad as it is. 

 

I think if we do make a change it has to be made with a very clear vision about how we plan to navigate PSR/squad building, rather than because we want to just roll the dice on some other bloke in the hope it improves. 

 

I'm strongly of the opinion that there's lots of good coaches out there, but they're only as good as the structure they're in and how that is aligned. I think whoever replaces Howe will have equally as many foibles as he does merits - even if they're slightly different than Eddie's.

 

 

 

Agree fully. I don't think Eddie vs a different coach is the difference between midtable mediocrity and a CL push. At least not at this moment.

 

Last season i felt we were broadly going in the right direction and a decision or two or some good luck away from a really good season. But from June we've lost all momentum as a club. PSR and our mismangement has come to light. I don't think a change of manager is going to really move the needle.

 

Could be wrong. We could've hired Maresca or Slot in the summer imo and maybe they would work magic. But also those clubs have top 3 wage bills so with City faltering - they should be in position to capitalise.

 

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by The College Dropout

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, Terrymac1966 said:

I would like a manager who actually plays new signings instead of this stupid long wait Howe insists on. Also getting players with slight knocks straight back in not this cotton wool rubbish. Joe Harvey played the fuckers whatever and they all seemed to cope.

 

Correlation ≠ causation, but if this method has anything to do with Howe's only definitive flop signing being Jordan Ibe, then I'm all for it tbh. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Terrymac1966 said:

I would like a manager who actually plays new signings instead of this stupid long wait Howe insists on. Also getting players with slight knocks straight back in not this cotton wool rubbish. Joe Harvey played the fuckers whatever and they all seemed to cope.

 

Last season we were hammering him for causing an injury crisis by not resting players

[80]

1 hour ago, TRon said:

 

 

I'll let TCD take this up then since he's the one who has queries about what the board/owners plans are. All he's said is that thinks they are the bigger issue, he wasn't really specific on how this relates to the manager.

 

I had a post but TCD beat me to the punch. Basically, there are serious question marks over whether any manager can get us to where we want to be on a sustainable basis, if the wider club environment isn't offering positivity, sensible ambitions, consistent support and smart, determined thinking to overcome systemic restrictions like PSR.

 

We can kick Eddie Howe out the club, but after a few spins of the wheel we may well end up concluding he wasn't the root cause of our failure.

 

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My post should have ended there, but consider Emery and Villa. It's weird how everything they've done is basically a year behind us. It's plausible that another 12 months of PSR restrictions, fatigue and the dawning realisation for their players that it isn't going to get any better if they stay in Birmingham will drain the life out of them and make them even rockier next season. And that's a club that has a much stronger infrastructure than us overall.

[Erikse]

5 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I can’t see a situation where we fall so far behind that Howe gets sacked before the end of the season. Therefore we need to do everything to find him a couple of players in January IMO.
 

As hard as that is, a clear injection of fresh quality is our best chance to have a good season. Probably more than getting a new manager. And that’s without thinking of the long term impact of getting back on the manager rollercoaster. 

 

Hmm not so sure. Next 2 are against Leicester and Ipswich. We will probably be fine, but if we somehow mess these up, it will be interesting to see whether our owners will react.

[SUPERTOON]

4 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Hmm not so sure. Next 2 are against Leicester and Ipswich. We will probably be fine, but if we somehow mess these up, it will be interesting to see whether our owners will react.

Not sure Ipswich away will be fine tbh.

[Novocastrian]

We’re 4 points off 7th/8th, I think that’s about par for us now. We can’t seriously expect another CL qualifying campaign with our current squad can we? 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, Novocastrian said:

We’re 4 points off 7th/8th, I think that’s about par for us now. We can’t seriously expect another CL qualifying campaign with our current squad can we? 

Not expect, no. I do think anything from 5th down is up for grabs for any team that can put some form together. 

[Ben]

9 minutes ago, Novocastrian said:

We’re 4 points off 7th/8th, I think that’s about par for us now. We can’t seriously expect another CL qualifying campaign with our current squad can we? 

 

Our squad is better than 8th IMO

[KaKa]

14 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Not sure Ipswich away will be fine tbh.

 

They are a dangerous team and their style of play will threaten our defence if we keep playing Bruno deep.

 

The thing that has let Ipswich down is their late game collapses. Once they start making subs there appears to be a big drop in quality that costs them.

[Collage]

6 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

 

Adolf 'Adi' Hutter.

 

Well he'd sort the right wing out, at least. 

Think he’d take us to Europe, really have a go and do well. At first.

[Ronaldo]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Last season we were hammering him for causing an injury crisis by not resting players

I don’t think many said that. It was more targeted at the style of play as happened at Bournemouth.

 

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, 80 said:

 

I had a post but TCD beat me to the punch. Basically, there are serious question marks over whether any manager can get us to where we want to be on a sustainable basis, if the wider club environment isn't offering positivity, sensible ambitions, consistent support and smart, determined thinking to overcome systemic restrictions like PSR.

 

We can kick Eddie Howe out the club, but after a few spins of the wheel we may well end up concluding he wasn't the root cause of our failure.

 

--

 

My post should have ended there, but consider Emery and Villa. It's weird how everything they've done is basically a year behind us. It's plausible that another 12 months of PSR restrictions, fatigue and the dawning realisation for their players that it isn't going to get any better if they stay in Birmingham will drain the life out of them and make them even rockier next season. And that's a club that has a much stronger infrastructure than us overall.

I think seeing what’s happened to us has helped Villa prepare.  And they have more saleable assets.   Rather than give their Joelinton a new contract they sold him. 

[Displayname]

2 hours ago, Ben said:

 

Our squad is better than 8th IMO

Especially with no Europe.

[80]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

I think seeing what’s happened to us has helped Villa prepare.  And they have more saleable assets.   Rather than give their Joelinton a new contract they sold him. 

The youth academy is a killer for us. We were most of a decade behind any significant competitor. You can buy a lot of things quickly, but not that.

[r0cafella]

We should stop crying the poor tale when it comes to villa too mind, we do have significant advantages which they don't have as well. Having a state sponsor is still huge regardless of RPT rules. 

[Zero]

We don’t have any genuine financial risk. As long as PIF has patience, we could restart the process again, just sell the purples and rebuild.

 

Recently I have a second thought, that if such a rebuild is inevitable, Howe is probably the best manager for the job.