Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Sissoko? Lallana? Maupay? Che Adams? Wood?  I assume you’re joking at this point.

Wilson, ASM, Big Jow, Fernandez would probably walk into all of those teams too… that sort of thing proves nothing.

 

As I said, we’re all shite and in the bottom half for a reason - we’re no better than them, but they’re certainly no better than us.

 

Leeds are similar to us, they are trying to play attacking football but they only have Bamford and maybe Raphina who know how to score goals. All huff and puff and no end product. 

[Fantail Breeze]

Just now, 54 said:

Them four players are comfortably better then 90% of our squad, Sissoko even with his legs gone would walk into our CM, ahead of Jonjo, Longstaff, Hayden and Willock.

 

Sissoko was finished about three years ago. He’s been minging for Watford this season.

 

Che Adams, Wood and Maupay are better than Wilson?  

 

I’m not sure they’d be better than Wilson if you combined the three of them together.

[AJ9]

15 minutes ago, hakka said:

I am more and more feeling Howe is right man at wrong time for us. I'll judge him once he's brought his players in from January and had a go, but for what he's improved in possession and getting up the pitch, it's not getting enough goals and it's leaking them at the other end something chronic. We should have been looking for a point today, really sit deep, frustrate City with defending in numbers and counter attack with ASM and Wilson. These defenders are so bad they need a lot of help when against real quality. Did Howe really think we could attack and get goals without that back 4 falling apart over 90 mins?

 

Some games you have to accept it's better to not lose and setup that way over trusting a terrible back 4 to suddenly start getting clean sheets. I feel I'm being harsh, but expected a bit better from Howe. Still support him and knew this run of hard games would be tough.

 

Murphy, Clark, Lascelles and Ritchie is a shocking back 4.

spot on

[Pata]

1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Sissoko was finished about three years ago. He’s been minging for Watford this season.

 

Che Adams, Wood and Maupay are better than Wilson?  

 

I’m not sure they’d be better than Wilson if you combined the three of them together.

”Shite like Martinelli”

[duo]

4 minutes ago, Foluwashola said:

There's absolutely nee point in judging him until he's at least had a window under his belt. Not going to learn much from watching this gaggle of doylums attempt to play one of the best teams in the world.

 

Let him get a proper defence in and try to compete against our fellow wastes of space.

 

 

 

 

Of course you have to judge him - the man was brought in to keep us up and that includes winning games with the players we got.  Granted Liverpool, City were always going to be a tough ask but we have looked as wide open as we always have.  And it's his job to address that - now.  There is no guarantee we'll get the players we need in Jan - it's going to be hard to attract quality players to come.

[54]

2 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Sissoko was finished about three years ago. He’s been minging for Watford this season.

 

Che Adams, Wood and Maupay are better than Wilson?  

 

I’m not sure they’d be better than Wilson if you combined the three of them together.

Che Adams and Maupey would get into our team ahead of Fraser and Almiron, and Wood is very useful in the way he plays the game and is a 10+ goal a season striker.

[The Bonk]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Leeds are similar to us, they are trying to play attacking football but they only have Bamford and maybe Raphina who know how to score goals. All huff and puff and no end product. 

 

They score goals, their problem is they leak them just as bad as we do. Leeds are better than they've shown recently and have a decent squad. Obviously lost some of the shine they had in their first season back, but they will stay up and get better next year. Biesla leaving might be a good change for both if he opts out in the summer.

[Heron]

I think there needs to be some consideration here like. The team weren't even fit enough let alone anything else when Howe arrived. There have been a whole host of individual errors and to be fair some of them have been Howes too.

 

But in this last week though we've been on the wrong side of key, contentious decisions, we've come up against the two title contenders who are light years apart from the rest, perhaps excluding Chelsea, we have little quality and we're trying to reidentify ourself as a club and team.

 

We have every chance in every single one of our upcoming 10 games of getting something and I'm fairly convinced we will.

 

We've improved our intensity, we've improved our attacking threat and we have individuals improving also. It'll all become even clearer in these next 10 games.

 

At the end of the day, without signings, you cannot really judge Howe all that well until the new seson. 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Heron

[Guest reefatoon]

What’s he said regarding the penalty decision? Anything been said yet?

[buzz]

7 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Sissoko was finished about three years ago. He’s been minging for Watford this season.

 

Che Adams, Wood and Maupay are better than Wilson?  

 

I’m not sure they’d be better than Wilson if you combined the three of them together.

 

Wood is actually quite decent, just not ahead of Wilson obviously. 

 

Sissoko would still definitely be better/more combative than Hayden, Willock, Longstaff or Hendrick.

[The Bonk]

2 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

I know, it's just that last two years we have managed it and with same players. Just because first ten games it didn't work out doesn't mean it won't occasionally against sides you are almost certain to get bummed against if you play attacking. Like I say, I feel it's harsh, but Howe isn't immune from any criticism. Same way I've praised him for things that have improved. I will give him the full season and January for the real judgement.

 

Howe gets next season for me, wherever that is, unless our owners perform a miracle and get a world class manager to come here, which I don't see happening until we have a better long term outlook.  I trust Howe to come good, once he's given the resources, playing staff needed to execute his style of play. 

[Jackie Broon]

4 minutes ago, reefatoon said:

What’s he said regarding the penalty decision? Anything been said yet?

 

"We conceded a poor second goal, there were some contentious moment, the Ryan Fraser incident was a baffling one and unsure how it is not a penalty. I am not too sure what happened with VAR and the referee, the goalkeeper wipes out Ryan and it is a stonewaller, a clear penalty."

[The Bonk]

4 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

We have to judge him the same way we did Bruce imo. I in no way want him sacked and long term he will be great. 

 

We hated Bruce as soon his name was mentioned, mate.  

[Khalidao]

40 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Same squad has comfortably stayed us last two seasons, with a worse manager in charge.

 

This squad is no worse than anyone in the bottom half bar Everton.

 

This is true only if you have already assumed that other clubs didn't improve their squads and yours didn't age or decline.

[Barnes23]

2 minutes ago, The Bonk said:

 

Howe gets next season for me, wherever that is, unless our owners perform a miracle and get a world class manager to come here, which I don't see happening until we have a better long term outlook.  I trust Howe to come good, once he's given the resources, playing staff needed to execute his style of play. 

 

Don't understand how anyone can arrive at this judgement on such a small sample size of games + the evidence of what we've seen so far. The jury is out, he'll be judged on his ability to keep us up. 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Barnes23

[Thumbheed]

His management of the defence, in terms of selection and organisation, has been appaling and I don't see how anyone can say otherwise. 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Thumbheed

[The Prophet]

I think in terms of defending as a unit we've looked a lot better, particularly since he brought Lewis and Manquillo in. The individual errors are killing us though.

[The Merse]

I reckon it's too early to judge - we have looked better than under Bruce but I do think it's hard to implement his style without time - plus 70 percent of the players are gash - I watched Man city Leeds and it was nowt like today - we competed without being competitive - get some better players in and I think it can change pretty quick

[Fantail Breeze]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I think in terms of defending as a unit we've looked a lot better, particularly since he brought Lewis and Manquillo in. The individual errors are killing us though.

 

That’s not a better defensive unit. That’s a natural byproduct of using two defenders as full backs rather than two wingers.

 

We’ve looked calamitous every time the opposition comes into our third.

[The Bonk]

Just now, Thumbheed said:

His management of the defence, in terms of selection and organisation, has been appaling and I don't see how anyone can see otherwise. 

 

 

 

So you're pissed he hasn't parked the bus?  

• He rightfully put in Lewis, who's played decently until he gets injured. 
• Pulled Clark after his shit play against Norwich.
• Has to rotate back to said shit player to avoid burn out of somewhat capable players

Most of our goals are boneheaded individual errors of players who clearly aren't cut out for the league. I'm appalled that you're appalled.  

[The Bonk]

5 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

Haha, true but it looks bad on us to be wildly critical of Bruce and then not have any criticism of Howe

 

Yup, Howe will make mistakes and I feel he didn't prepare us as well as we should have been prepared for the Leicester match. There were points available for the taking and overall, he got it wrong.

 

[Hanshithispantz]

7 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I think in terms of defending as a unit we've looked a lot better, particularly since he brought Lewis and Manquillo in. The individual errors are killing us though.

Aye, I thought both today and Liverpool we actually looked like an actual team. Then a player does something mad like Willock galloping passed their fullback at 100mph into the centre circle allowing him to casually just walk towards our box.

 

 

[Heron]

Penalty changed the game vs Leicester, the same as our lack of one today effected the game. A good second goal from Leicester took the game away from us and Howe got it wrong by chasing it.

 

We tried to chase it vs Liverpool to a lesser degree and did so again today, but there has been improvement since Leicester and since Howe joined.

 

You can judge Howe and Bruce in a similar way, but they're both in very different situations. Bruce was grossly negligent this season, not like in the previous two when he had an axe to grind. He knew he eas untouchable under Ashley and his negligence has set us back 4months. What Howe needs, is a pre season primarily and then about 5 players. 

[HaydnNUFC]

Still think he's the right guy. The last few games have been bizarre, they haven't been woeful performances or us getting overrun but the scorelines look like pastings. So many individual errors are costing us its untrue, the first goal today was fucking embarrassing. 

[Thumbheed]

29 minutes ago, The Bonk said:

 

So you're pissed he hasn't parked the bus?  

• He rightfully put in Lewis, who's played decently until he gets injured. 
• Pulled Clark after his shit play against Norwich.
• Has to rotate back to said shit player to avoid burn out of somewhat capable players

Most of our goals are boneheaded individual errors of players who clearly aren't cut out for the league. I'm appalled that you're appalled.  

 

My concerns with Howe were and have always been he doesn't have a record of improving defences, which funnily enough is our weakest area and exactly what we need.  

 

So far, I've not seen anything to suggest I am wrong. 

 

As for team selection, he put Lewis in because Ritchie was suspended, Ritchie was 1st choice in all his games prior to suspension. (For someone who's analysed us for his interview, being unable to spot that Ritchie is poor and should not have been 1st choice is not a good sign)

 

Clarke was suspended, after Norwich and again should not have been selected in the first place. (We all know this)

 

Burn out? What burnout? We're not even half way through the season. 

 

Fernández has played one game for us, inspite of clearly being our best defender. (Again, something which everyone should agree on)

 

Shelvey and Willock have played the most games together, again, inspite of them both being defensively poor leaving massive gaps through the centre. 

 

None of what I've said is new to any us. I'm not saying anything which isn't a shared opinion for the majority of us, which, which makes it more frustrating that after a year off to reflect on his own weaknesses - and ours - he's still seemingly not addressed our defence in any meaningful manner and keeps making the most basic of mistakes.

 

Ultimately though, whatever defence you have of Howe is applicable to Bruce, so blaming the quality of the players just won't cut it.

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Thumbheed