Mattoon Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, HaydnNUFC said: I did think this, that maybe a good chunk of our squad are just losers. They're used to losing and accept it as the norm, hence one of the reasons why Trippier looked so head and shoulders above much of them. Only way that gets rectified is by simply winning games but again the only way that we can do that is through the transfer market. Sugar glass nerves, they look so easily broken. I also think that under Rafa he knew the players weaknesses and would only ask them to do what he knew they could do and built his team around their strengths, whereas a manager like Howe has a way he wants to play and the players are an extension of that philosophy meaning their deficiencies are glaringly obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, TRon said: They were never good enough, if they were, we wouldn't be talking about replacing them in the first place. I didn't see lack of effort today, just the same old failings we've been watching for years. Maybe lack of effort is a bit harsh, like I mentioned above they have fragile nerves and heads are going down too quick. Today was the most frustrated I've been watching us as we moved up the pitch quickly and with intent, knocked the ball around quite well but then jelly legs in the final third. At this point I think some of the players need out as much as we need them out, they look shot here and need a clean slate and we desperately need confidence on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mattoon said: Sugar glass nerves, they look so easily broken. I also think that under Rafa he knew the players weaknesses and would only ask them to do what he knew they could do and built his team around their strengths, whereas a manager like Howe has a way he wants to play and the players are an extension of that philosophy meaning their deficiencies are glaringly obvious. Good observation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Ive come in to see if everyone has calmed down and.........doesnt look like it Howe got it wrong today - but given our last match was called off and we still had 5 or 6 players missing, his options were truly limited today. It looks like hes tried to improvise a system based on who was fit and its backfired. I think if we had a new DM and a new striker we would have won that easily. We need at least 2 in for Watford, including a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 30 minutes ago, Kanji said: People here have similar reactions to society today on anything and everything - it’s either pure joy or pure depression and complaining. There is no balance. Howe has a shit squad and is dealing with injuries and COVID impact to the squad. He sent out a team of premier league footballers (debatable tbh) and they created enough chances to win the game, they just didn’t “Put in the netttttttt!” (John Ando voice). His subs were poor and he never really was able to turn it around once we were down, deserves criticism for that. The players are also to blame: sloppy, lacked focused, didn’t stay onside, didn’t execute the original game plan and lost to a lower league side. What is absolutely certain is we need players and we need to replace nearly ever single player in the squad in the next 2-3 transfer windows. Now whether Howe is the man to take us on past this one and the next one rests solely on how or if he and this squad performs. speaking way too much sense here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 23 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Obviously we would be having a different conversation if we had simply taken one of the many chances in the first half. Th reason we didn't can be seen when you look at the stats for our players end product. It's not a coincidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mattoon said: Sugar glass nerves, they look so easily broken. I also think that under Rafa he knew the players weaknesses and would only ask them to do what he knew they could do and built his team around their strengths, whereas a manager like Howe has a way he wants to play and the players are an extension of that philosophy meaning their deficiencies are glaringly obvious. Yes, I think they’re different managers in that way. Howe is more of an ideologist, a teacher if you like, while Rafa is pragmatic and focused on getting maximum results from the material at his disposal. Edited January 8, 2022 by Collage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mattoon said: Sugar glass nerves, they look so easily broken. I also think that under Rafa he knew the players weaknesses and would only ask them to do what he knew they could do and built his team around their strengths, whereas a manager like Howe has a way he wants to play and the players are an extension of that philosophy meaning their deficiencies are glaringly obvious. It's pretty clear that this is ultimately the issue. The new owners ultimately decided to go with a manager whose philosophy is to play attacking football, and they felt that with the signings in January it would ultimately see the teams fortunes turn around, and the fans would appreciate that style more. I still think that will indeed ultimately be the case too. The alternative would have been to go for a more defensive minded manager to try and grind out results and keep the team up, but then do you just stick with that longer term after? And if they had gone that route would you then back such a manager with players for that style in January if that's not how you ultimately want the side to play going forward? If they really believe in Howe's philosophy and overall approach then just get him in and let him start building this thing with them from the ground up. If we are able to get players in that then gel better with the manager and keep us up then great, and if not, if we do end up going down for a year then so be it, and we'll just have to re-start from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 4 hours ago, Klaus said: I didnt get this at all. Longstaff was having a mare and should have been off. Longstaff came off at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 And what we really needed this season, in our situation, was of course a results-orientated manager, a Rafa-type, an Emery, who also became our top target. Howe may show to be a great long-term choice and I like him, but he’s not an ideal manager in our current situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Collage said: And what we really needed this season, in our situation, was of course a results-orientated manager, a Rafa-type, an Emery, who also became our top target. Howe may show to be a great long-term choice and I like him, but he’s not an ideal manager in our current situation. Give me strength! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Collage said: And what we really needed this season, in our situation, was of course a results-orientated manager, a Rafa-type, an Emery, who also became our top target. Howe may show to be a great long-term choice and I like him, but he’s not an ideal manager in our current situation. TBF Rafa didn't keep us up, give Howe time and his own players we'll be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Ben said: TBF Rafa didn't keep us up, give Howe time and his own players we'll be fine. Yes, I agree. The problem is we don’t have much time this season. I’m not up for the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Pilko said: I don't know, but I'd never have had Howe in the first place and I've said it since he was appointed. so do you think he should be given time now, or a new manager brought in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMLeazesender Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Certainly didn't want Emery, he's crap and he looks too much like Dracula. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 got his subs wrong today. bringing miggy on at right wing instead of midfield and taking murphy off. we didnt need willock coming on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, Collage said: Yes, I agree. The problem is we don’t have much time this season. I’m not up for the Championship. This is a long term project, we need to take a step back from criticism just now, a rebuild from the championship will be fine, 2030 is the target date for the Saudis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Desperately need two (+motivated) strikers. Lack of goals is putting way too much pressure on everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Collage said: And what we really needed this season, in our situation, was of course a results-orientated manager, a Rafa-type, an Emery, who also became our top target. Howe may show to be a great long-term choice and I like him, but he’s not an ideal manager in our current situation. Emery bottled it, that would definitely have been reflected in his players. He couldn't even make his mind up if he wanted to be here or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWTL Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Hope to god we get atleast 1 top ST in before the weekend, we need a focal point and hopefully we get Ramsey or someone similar to keep the ball and create chances. It's clear we are missing quality in many areas and more business needed ASAP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 His subs were awful! I dont rate murphy highly but he was by far our biggest threat and bringing on manquillo made no sense. He is partly to blame but the players were a disgrace. It should not be over looked that since he came in we look a far better side and much more enjoyable to watch, he needs time and his own players in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, TRon said: Emery bottled it, that would definitely have been reflected in his players. He couldn't even make his mind up if he wanted to be here or not. My post wasn’t specifically about Emery. I’m not bothered about not getting him. Was just talking about different types of managers. For the record, I want Howe to stay, no question. But I fear relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 23 minutes ago, Shearergol said: so do you think he should be given time now, or a new manager brought in? You probably can't get rid already but I worry at the idea of spending £100m+ on players he wants. I'm not sure, I don't have the answers, but I'm fairly sure the answer isn't Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 On the one hand I'm pissed off that he didn't give some younger players a chance, on the other, I'm absolutely raging that our best players couldn't match Cambridge. I mean, how much coaching do you need to beat a team in the bottom of the 3rd division? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: Pilko is totally entitled to his opinion we shouldn’t be jumping down people’s throats for it imo. Appreciate it. I know others won't agree but in my own defence I've been consistent in my views since Howe got the gig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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