Dandy Don Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Had a tenner at 25/1 Rafa. He's coming home,they are after him again....His pledge to Everton went oot the window when boos rang round Goodison on Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Just now, The Prophet said: Good to hear the views of a fan who has first hand experience. Mind, if he's decent at spending a bit of cash to get underperformed clubs up the table, he sounds ideal Yes, in that sense he might actually be perfect ? At Gladbach and Nice he had money to spend and low expectations, so he has found ideal jobs to go to - and we are currently in same situation. I am pretty sure that this is his pitch for this job with us. But we have all-around better options than him. Mind I’m not convinced about Fonseca either and I would rather go for someone who can bring us to next level. I prefer likes of Ten Hag, Unai Emery and Ralf Rangnick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 I doubt Fonseca is being used as a backup. The consortium obviously have a timescale in mind, that's why Jones was definitive in stating he'd been given Palace and Chelsea. Given what we seemingly know with Fonseca, talks are underway and there's a number of interviews covering finances, philosophy, etc. I'd imagine as with any interview process, he'll be aware he isn't the only candidate under consideration. The consortium have been excellent at keeping things quiet, we only have agent leaks and limited ITK snippets to go on, but its become obvious the British press don't have a clue and are just fishing for clicks at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, Dokko said: Feel sorry for Fonseca, at this point without having any inside knowledge he looks like he’s being treat as the backup plan. Which is great for us, at a minimum we’re getting someone like him but of course there is a chance someone better is also interested. Lovely position to be in. This is probably what normally happens at clubs but we’ve not been normal for some time. Interview several candidates and go for who we want rather than just being an available PL job no top manager would want to audition for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotic Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Elephant said: Yes, in that sense he might actually be perfect ? At Gladbach and Nice he had money to spend and low expectations, so he has found ideal jobs to go to - and we are currently in same situation. I am pretty sure that this is his pitch for this job with us. But we have all-around better options than him. Mind I’m not convinced about Fonseca either and I would rather go for someone who can bring us to next level. I prefer likes of Ten Hag, Unai Emery and Ralf Rangnick. Isn’t Favre the King of overperforming xGs though? Or am I mistaking him for someone else? If there’s anything this squad needs, its someone who can coach and drill an approach that gets results more than the sum of it’s parts. I appreciate that real life isn’t FM though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Of all the names/who is attainable, I think Emery is the outstanding candidate right now short to medium term and potentially long-term too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATF Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Emotic said: Isn’t Favre the King of overperforming xGs though? Or am I mistaking him for someone else? If there’s anything this squad needs, its someone who can coach and drill an approach that gets results more than the sum of it’s parts. I appreciate that real life isn’t FM though. A manager doesn't get you to overperform xG though. Good keepers and good goalscorers get you to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Emotic said: Isn’t Favre the King of overperforming xGs though? Or am I mistaking him for someone else? If there’s anything this squad needs, its someone who can coach and drill an approach that gets results more than the sum of it’s parts. I appreciate that real life isn’t FM though. Favre can prove how wrong stats can be. It is because his side never seem to shoot at any situation except until it is almost sure goal. It can be very frustrating to watch and just shows how stats are not the whole truth. And obviously having someone like Håland helps alot. Edited October 26, 2021 by Elephant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, ATF said: A manager doesn't get you to overperform xG though. Good keepers and good goalscorers get you to do that. This is truth. Having no good plan for attacking play with world-class players gets you good xG too, when situations don’t come so much, but attackers use them well. But with Favre it’s even more about not even shooting until it’s absolutely sure to score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotic Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Elephant said: This is truth. Having no good plan for attacking play with world-class players gets you good xG too, when situations don’t come so much, but attackers use them well. But with Favre it’s even more about not even shooting until it’s absolutely sure to score. Now he just sounds like a Swiss Wenger and I don’t want him any more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwallace197 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Ben said: Can someone wash this lads mouth out with soap and water please, Ten Hag is my new Keegan Ill wash your mouth out though to stop you from talking nonsense as you usually do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jimwallace197 said: Ill wash your mouth out though to stop you from talking nonsense as you usually do Harsh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 It's always the re-gens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Don't recognize half the posters on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwallace197 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, ManDoon said: So because he’s built a really good team, that somehow detracts from his achievements? De Jong flopped after Barca, and VDB can’t get a game. They beat Real Madrid and Juventus. Never said he was a bad manager, just not right for us at this stage. A tad over rated imo, Dutch football is very different to the pl as many players & coaches have found out over the years. He's not someone we should be taking a punt on in a relegation scrap in the biggest league in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Jimwallace197 said: Never said he was a bad manager, just not right for us at this stage. A tad over rated imo, Dutch football is very different to the pl as many players & coaches have found out over the years. He's not someone we should be taking a punt on in a relegation scrap in the biggest league in the world. A tad over rated, and yet courted by Manchester United and Barcelona? We’ll be lucky to get him, IF we do, but we should at least be trying. He’s worked with some of the best young players in the world, and no only that but developed them- a concept that’s been lacking at our club for decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerprince2004 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Just been listening to the 'Pod on the Tyne' with Caulkin. He said he has been told on more than 1 occasion that it will not be Fonseca who we appoint. Found that very interesting as Caulkin has links to Staveley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Pokerprince2004 said: Just been listening to the 'Pod on the Tyne' with Caulkin. He said he has been told on more than 1 occasion that it will not be Fonseca who we appoint. Found that very interesting as Caulkin has links to Staveley. Mr No Red Flags ? also led the claims that Bruce would be sacked before the Tottenham game, to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwallace197 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Yeah but he’s proven it outside of Dutch football is what I’m saying. Yah he did well with FC Utrect in the bundesliga but not much else. Again, not writing him off but he's not the type of manager we need now. Favre or Benitez anyday over him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 40 minutes ago, HTT II said: Of all the names/who is attainable, I think Emery is the outstanding candidate right now short to medium term and potentially long-term too. The most realistic outstanding candidate for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 They're hardly going to tell Caulkin Fonseca is the favourite, midway through the interview process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Jimwallace197 said: Yah he did well with FC Utrect in the bundesliga but not much else. Again, not writing him off but he's not the type of manager we need now. Favre or Benitez anyday over him. I must have missed the Dutch city of Utrecht relocating to Germany Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jimwallace197 said: Yah he did well with FC Utrect in the bundesliga but not much else. Again, not writing him off but he's not the type of manager we need now. Favre or Benitez anyday over him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwallace197 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Manxst said: A tad over rated, and yet courted by Manchester United and Barcelona? We’ll be lucky to get him, IF we do, but we should at least be trying. He’s worked with some of the best young players in the world, and no only that but developed them- a concept that’s been lacking at our club for decades. You have any proper sources for him being courted by Manu besides the red tops?? I seriously doubt it. Also, Barcelona is a job that no top level manager wants these days unless you're off your rocker, literally no money to spend and a squad full of dissiliussioned players who don't even know if they'll be paid. Martinez who is pretty ordinary to say the least is being linked with them. I wouldn't be using that as an example if I was you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 We are still chasing Rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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