Conjo Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: It definitely feels like he doesn't know his best team, but performances are improving. Agreed. The positive thing is that he seems to be learning by benching Darlow and Clark (against Arsenal). Who knows what he'd done ahead of Norwich if it weren't for Ritchie and Lascelles suspensions? My gut feeling (based on nothing tbh ) is that Lascelles would have played today, but not Ritchie. The biggest indication of his judgement of players will come next game. I'd be extremely dissapointed if Lascelles and Ritchie are back in the team against Burnley at the expense of Fernandez and Lewis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nobody said: Makes sense against Burnley though. Depends on how much Howe wants to pander to the opposition. If we would have won today (and Schär almost giving away a point at the end), I think we 100% see the same back 5 as the last 80 minutes tonight. We went back 5? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nobody said: Makes sense against Burnley though. Depends on how much Howe wants to pander to the opposition. If we would have won today (and Schär almost giving away a point at the end), I think we 100% see the same back 5 as the last 80 minutes tonight. Yeah, no major issue for me tbh. I know he was reportedly belter for Switzerland, but I still only ever feel comfortable with Schar in a back three. It lets him use his best skills and covers up for any mistakes he may make. He's an odd player in that sense - not quite mobile or technical enough to be a midfielder but not consistent enough to be a reliable defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shearergol said: We went back 5? Including Dubravka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 58 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said: Wrong team wrong subs. We are better with him here and working a lot harder, mixed bag so far but more good than bad. Thought both the team and subs were fine. Clark was an utter moron for what he did, but there’s not much between him and Fernandez quality wise. ASM was dead on his feet so bringing on Almiron for him was fine. And Willock was crap, so Hayden made sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Thiago said: Yeah, no major issue for me tbh. I know he was reportedly belter for Switzerland, but I still only ever feel comfortable with Schar in a back three. It lets him use his best skills and covers up for any mistakes he may make. He's an odd player in that sense - not quite mobile or technical enough to be a midfielder but not consistent enough to be a reliable defender. I'd be happy enough to go for the 3-4-3 again against Burnley like. Problem is we really could have done with a left footed centre half for that formation to work. Thanks Steve for selling Lejuene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Lewis has to be ahead of Ritchie. One performance tonight is better than any one Ritchies had this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: Thought both the team and subs were fine. Clark was an utter moron for what he did, but there’s not much between him and Fernandez quality wise. ASM was dead on his feet so bringing on Almiron for him was fine. And Willock was crap, so Hayden made sense. It’s going to sound like I’m just using hindsight and I get absence makes the heart grow fonder when players are out the team. But that first paragraph, you genuinely think that? Fernandez has been our best centre back for a while and was a rare bright spot under Bruce’s lardy tenure. He was a steal for what we paid and whilst not the most mobile. His reading of the game and ability on the ball are far better than Clark’s. Loads of fans and plenty on here have been questioning why he is not starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, Shearergol said: We went back 5? After we scored we went to a back 9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzrahog Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 And put on the crazy frog almiron to take us down to 9 real players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Howe spoke well after the game as he has done in recent weeks. Has given a clean slate to all players and reaped the rewards from Joelinton and Shelvey in particular. Fernandez has started with the cold shoulder and understandably so if rumours are to be believed, but now Howe will know for himself. There is more to the art of defending than blocks and tackles, or playing a nice pass. Reading of the game, communication and organisation are equally if not more important. Howe is learning with this team and it's a steep learning curve. What we need to do is consider the corrosion of our club and support the squad in regaining confidence, composure and belief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 What are the rumours on Fernandez? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chris_R said: After we scored we went to a back 9. We absolutely did not. Before they scored, we were closer to 2-0 than they were 1-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Heron said: Howe spoke well after the game as he has done in recent weeks. Has given a clean slate to all players and reaped the rewards from Joelinton and Shelvey in particular. Fernandez has started with the cold shoulder and understandably so if rumours are to be believed, but now Howe will know for himself. There is more to the art of defending than blocks and tackles, or playing a nice pass. Reading of the game, communication and organisation are equally if not more important. Howe is learning with this team and it's a steep learning curve. What we need to do is consider the corrosion of our club and support the squad in regaining confidence, composure and belief. What rumours are these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Heron said: Howe spoke well after the game as he has done in recent weeks. Has given a clean slate to all players and reaped the rewards from Joelinton and Shelvey in particular. Fernandez has started with the cold shoulder and understandably so if rumours are to be believed, but now Howe will know for himself. There is more to the art of defending than blocks and tackles, or playing a nice pass. Reading of the game, communication and organisation are equally if not more important. Howe is learning with this team and it's a steep learning curve. What we need to do is consider the corrosion of our club and support the squad in regaining confidence, composure and belief. Good post. Whatever happens we have a proper club and a proper manager, that’s class. SJP was loud all around. I hope we can get a couple of wins soon to make it a contest though, it’ll be sad if we just trundle along the bottom to relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, ozzrahog said: And put on the crazy frog almiron to take us down to 9 real players Real players like Clark, Lascelles and Hayden who gets stuck in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Joelinton was basically playing CM for most of this game and did a fair job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, et tu brute said: What rumours are these? People have a conspiracy theory that Jones is personally responsible for having him excluded. Flip back to May and Jones was the hero... but as soon as Bruce leaves Jones becomes the scapegoat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, nbthree3 said: People have a conspiracy theory that Jones is personally responsible for having him excluded. Flip back to May and Jones was the hero... but as soon as Bruce leaves Jones becomes the scapegoat Yeah I saw that in a few people's thoughts, but Heron indicated that it was something that was justified Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I think so far Howe has got more wrong than right with his team selections, If they weren't suspended I'm sure Richie and Lascelles would have started tonight. He needs to learn very quickly or we'll be down before we can strengthen in January. There aren't too many bad sides likely to get relegated this season, Us, Norwich, Burnley, Watford maybe Southampton that's it really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izakaya Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Eddie Howler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Good post. Whatever happens we have a proper club and a proper manager, that’s class. SJP was loud all around. I hope we can get a couple of wins soon to make it a contest though, it’ll be sad if we just trundle along the bottom to relegation. I'm confident we will like. You only need to look at Everton to see how it becomes poisonous fast when the fans aren't on side. I think we need to do our bit now, personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Yeah I saw that in a few people's thoughts, but Heron indicated that it was something that was justified From what I heard Fernandez had a gan about Jones. Cutting long story short. Jones was never the answer but he offered a lot more than Bruce. Effort, just effort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Yeah I saw that in a few people's thoughts, but Heron indicated that it was something that was justified Just so we're all ITK. What exactly does Jones have against Fernandez? And why is it justified? Supposedly. Odd there must be dark conspiracies as to why our better defenders are benched or sold. The Athletic had an article recently that said something about Bruce losing some of the players when he replaced Darlow with Dubravaka last season. Darlow is apparently well liked. Who the fck are these morons that are behind Bruce and only lose faith when he drops Darlow? No names were mentioned. Hope they're gone in January, whoever they are. Edited December 1, 2021 by gazza ladra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 The whole pub (The Junction) was silent in his post match press conference. If that’s a barometer of feeling amongst the support, he’s certainly got the majority behind him. Keep on gannin Eddie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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