TRon Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, Minhosa said: Totally agree. Howe seems to get a very easy ride, particularly with his post match quotes, in comparison to Bruce. You have to judge them equally. I'll judge him properly when he's got his own players in. The only way you can get results with this lot has been park the bus, and even that stopped working once the defenders started creaking due to age. Bruce's answer was pay £20m for Willock and get Hamza Choudhury on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, ManDoon said: I do not in any way want Howe out, but we can’t say “yeah but the squad is shit” when we were hammering Bruce for not getting results Was about to post the same. Before Howe, it was “this is a mid table side that is being Bruce’d”. Now all of a sudden the narrative has shifted to the players being shit. Before anyone has a go, I despised Bruce and still hope it works out for Howe but you can’t gloss over the fact that we haven’t looked very convincing for the majority of his tenure here so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, neesy111 said: I'll give him more time etc to improve things but to completely blank him from any criticism is wrong. Yeah same but I see very little discernable improvements since his appointment. Overall, he's been underwhelming imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 He keeps us up and he’s done his first job. The first few months of KK’s first spell were pretty bad as well. The following season was when we kicked on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just win next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 The decision to sub Murphy baffled me, he was playing okay and finished his (offside) goal well. Longstaff was the obvious choice to be taken off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dublin1974 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dublin1974 said: Hi.first post, had big worries about howe, I think we are in bigger trouble than we think , he's absolutely lifeless on the touchline, I knew we were in trouble when at the Liverpool game we were getting nothing from ref , remember 2 players on the ground he stood there no emotion, can u imagine klopp doin that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: Yeah but the argument being made when Bruce was here was this squad was capable of finishing mid table and genuinely remember “literally anyone could do a better job” I don't think the squad is as bad as everyone makes out tbh. Certainly capable of survival before the new owners go and throw £100m at it. If we go down now, after huge spend, it's just as much on Howe as Bruce for me tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Thought Murphy was the only player kicking the ball correctly - looked most likely to score Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Minhosa said: Have we? All I've seen is the upturn in Joelinton which is, in some way, offset by the massive downturn in ASM. Other than one stinker against Leicester, yes. The defence is playing better as a collective, fitness is improving and we actually go after teams. Generally speaking, performances have improved week on week. The side that drew with Man United was far better coached than the one that drew with Brentford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Dublin1974 said: I knew we were in trouble when at the Liverpool game we were getting nothing from ref , remember 2 players on the ground he stood there no emotion, can u imagine klopp doin that I wonder if Klopp talks to himself ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dublin1974 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Froggy said: Howe isn't that type of manager. He's been brought in as part of a long term project IMO. A relegation and rebuild under Howe would bear more fruit than survival under a quick fix manager with no long term plan. Long term project, that phrase makes me nervous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Are people honestly advocating sacking him like? If so, who are you wanting in? fucking mental this place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Merse said: Thought Murphy was the only player kicking the ball correctly - looked most likely to score He was taken off for missing three chances I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, Minhosa said: Totally agree. Howe seems to get a very easy ride, particularly with his post match quotes, in comparison to Bruce. You have to judge them equally. Context is everything, especially after the takeover, yet always gets ignored for some bizarre reason. People used to say the same about Rafa, that he should only be judged on what he was doing at Newcastle. Nonsense, Rafa got leeway because he'd been a very successful manager for years, Steve Bruce got a hard time straight away because we had 20 years of watching him being a shit football manager. Eddie Howe will get a good chance because we saw what he achieved with Bournemouth and what he's trying to do here. Deliberately ignoring the wider context and keeping the blinkers only on their time at Newcastle is deliberate ignorance surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, Shearergol said: Are people honestly advocating sacking him like? If so, who are you wanting in? fucking mental this place Has anybody said he should be sacked? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, The Prophet said: Other than one stinker against Leicester, yes. The defence is playing better as a collective, fitness is improving and we actually go after teams. Generally speaking, performances have improved week on week. The side that drew with Man United was far better coached than the one that drew with Brentford. And todays was worse against a team of no marks?!? I don't agree about the defence either. I just don't see any significant impact tbh. I don't deny he 'gets it' and his PR is better than Bruces (hard to be worse) but I've seen nothing from him yet to think we're in the hands of a managerial genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMLeazesender Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, GWN said: It's why I'm sticking with him. Yep, I know we're all mega disappointed but it's very early days in "the project" and better days lie ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Yeah i agree but we can’t have it both ways as Neesy said. Bruce was dog shit, this isn’t a defence of him btw Hmm. The way I would see it, Bruce systemically destroyed an established team and was rightly slated for it. Howe has inherited a winless squad, completely bereft of confidence, fitness and tactical awareness and is in the midst of an incredibly tough rebuild. Performances so far have been up and down and results obviously haven't been great, but I'm not convinced any other manager would've done much better in the games we've played with this bunch of players. He's not immune from criticism but I don't agree that it's hypocritical to not hit him with the same criticism Bruce received either, the two scenarios are vastly different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Obviously this was a terrible game to lose and most definitely the lowest point of Howes reign so far. Drawing against Norwich comes close but that was all Clarks fault. I think other than these two games, it's been pretty much what I expected from him. The next 4 games are the biggest test of him and this squad (including whoever else we get in). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dublin1974 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, Dancing Brave said: I wonder if Klopp talks to himself ? He's on the touchline working the officials over, howe just standing with his arms crossed( make him cup of tea ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Is Howe getting an easy ride? For some, I wonder how they define easy ride. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, Klaus said: Has anybody said he should be sacked? i’m not sure, hence why I asked. I’m reading between the lines in the “he’s fucking shite” posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Whatever happens, I don't think the new owners will stick with a captain watching the ship sink. He'll be here until the end of the season at the very least, and possibly kicking off the season in the Champo, but if this shit continues he'll be out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Shearergol said: Are people honestly advocating sacking him like? If so, who are you wanting in? fucking mental this place It's so bi-polar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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