The College Dropout Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Just now, TRon said: There's part of your problem right there. When Almiron and Joelinton are making up a big part of your attack, you will struggle to score goals, Almiron's amazing start to the season withstanding. We need guys who will hunt the space in the penalty area. Joelinton did manage it against City for the Murphy cross, but he missed the ball altogether when all he needed was to get a solid contact on it. Aye. The way we play, a lot of chances fall to Longstaff and Joelinton. They're not going to score a lot of goals. Maybe when we got Gundogan & Mount we can play the same style and score goals. But until then, something needs to be tinkered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 It's all been very rosey since Howe came in and he's done a great job, but what separates the good from the elite is how they deal with drops in momentum and going to plan B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillDanceForChocolate Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Fear not! Looks like Howe hasn't quite managed to kick the streaky habit. In our League 1 promotion season (12/13) we got near the top of the table (from the relegation zone when he took over), then promptly lost five on the trot before going on a winning run again. Then in our Championship promotion season (14/15), we went top and then suddenly went five matches without a win only to turn it around again. There are examples from other seasons as well. Given how it works, expect to go on a winning run shortly and drag yourselves back into the top four. Good luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) What I'd also add is that there were games per-World Cup, where we created an average amount of chances, but were clinical enough to take at least one of those and see the game out. Everton and Chelsea, along with Spurs away spring to mind. I don't buy this idea that our performances have significantly dipped. Pre-World Cup when we getting the rub of the green, we probably take one of our many chances at home to Leeds and away to Palace, while keeping West Ham out after taking the lead, but we just lack a clinical edge at the moment. Totally agree with the points above and the goalscoring limitations of our midfield. It's why we can't really afford to be carrying an out of form Wilson up top. Edited March 7, 2023 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Just now, WillDanceForChocolate said: Fear not! Looks like Howe hasn't quite managed to kick the streaky habit. In our League 1 promotion season (12/13) we got near the top of the table (from the relegation zone when he took over), then promptly lost five on the trot before going on a winning run again. Then in our Championship promotion season (14/15), we went top and then suddenly went five matches without a win only to turn it around again. There are examples from other seasons as well. Given how it works, expect to go on a winning run shortly and drag yourselves back into the top four. Good luck! Aye, our form has been fairly streaky under Howe, but there are more to some of these runs than meet the eye... 2021/2022 1 win in 9 6 wins in 7 0 wins in 3 6 wins in 8 2022/2023 1 win in 7 7 wins in 8 1 win in 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 We know Howe doesn’t like to change a winning team, that’s been justified during his tenure. Now, we’re going to find out this week what happens when we’re a losing team. If changes aren’t made now, it will ask the question, what needs to happen for changes to come in. I trust him, and hope we get a big result this weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, WillDanceForChocolate said: Fear not! Looks like Howe hasn't quite managed to kick the streaky habit. In our League 1 promotion season (12/13) we got near the top of the table (from the relegation zone when he took over), then promptly lost five on the trot before going on a winning run again. Then in our Championship promotion season (14/15), we went top and then suddenly went five matches without a win only to turn it around again. There are examples from other seasons as well. Given how it works, expect to go on a winning run shortly and drag yourselves back into the top four. Good luck! Feckin hell you improved on the back 9. Edited March 7, 2023 by Bimpy474 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CherryPie Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, WillDanceForChocolate said: Fear not! Looks like Howe hasn't quite managed to kick the streaky habit. In our League 1 promotion season (12/13) we got near the top of the table (from the relegation zone when he took over), then promptly lost five on the trot before going on a winning run again. Then in our Championship promotion season (14/15), we went top and then suddenly went five matches without a win only to turn it around again. There are examples from other seasons as well. Given how it works, expect to go on a winning run shortly and drag yourselves back into the top four. Good luck! The only thing I’d add to this is that the turnaround in form after the lean spell, certainly in the Championship season, was not achieved by any significant changes in formation, tactics (so far as this amateur observer could see) or selection. It was probably the most stable I can ever remember our side. I’ll stick it below in case anyone is interested. Loyalty is a huge thing for Eddie. If a player is honest, gives everything in training and on the pitch, and has what Eddie thinks is the right quality, he will reward that by being loyal in his selection. (If you are an entitled, whinging Scot who’s only interested in himself, mind, you get sent to play five-a-side with the under 12s.) I reckon that Eddie thinks that all players and teams have dips in form, and that the best way to get out of bad form is to play yourself out of it. Presumably there’s a fine balance between the short term gain of shaking things up and the long term impact on the project of not keeping faith in players who are still giving you everything and a system that has taken you to top 4 against all predictions. That said, IMHO he can take this to far. The most egregious example for me was keeping Nathan Ake on the bench for weeks (having signed him on loan) whilst we were shipping goals left, right and centre in the EPL. It took an injury and a suspension to get him on the pitch, and he immediately became one of the very best players we’ve ever had, and he wasn’t dropped thereafter. Seen Eddie turn things round so many times before. Guarantee he’ll do it again. After all, what’s harder to turn round, a lean run against some great sides (often worth many more hundreds of millions than yours) after you’ve massively outperformed literally everyone in the world’s expectations for months, or the situation you were in when he arrived? Good luck with it. Here’s the mighty Championship-winning side of 2014-15, my favourite ever. The one that played itself out of the bad patches when Eddie kept faith in it… Wilson Pitman/Kermorgant Pugh Surman Arter Ritchie Daniels Cook Elphick Francis Boruc Edited March 7, 2023 by CherryPie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 You Bournemouth posters are chilling me out right now, 'preciate it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Yeah, I appreciate the perspective, thanks. Almost sounds like you've received reverse conditioning to us - seeing hard times come along and being used to eventually massively overcoming them. With us, the hard times come and then everything you've ever loved turns to ashes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 years ago today, we drew 0-0 vs. Sam Allardyce’s West Brom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said: 2 years ago today, we drew 0-0 vs. Sam Allardyce’s West Brom That team fielded by a ‘premier league club’ in 2021, you’d think that image would remind some of the more impatient ‘spend more’ fans of the stage we are at right now. Edited March 7, 2023 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nine said: That team fielded by a ‘premier league club’ in 2021, you’d think that image would remind some of the more impatient ‘spend more’ fans of the stage we are at right now. Which was my intention, like many I would love to be competing against the best in our league but I know were at least 2 summer transfers away from that, as eluded to by Dan Ashworth yesterday. Completely delighted just to be able to have pride in my team agin to be perfectly honest, everything else is a massive bonus for me personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said: 2 years ago today, we drew 0-0 vs. Sam Allardyce’s West Brom theres no way that 11 kept a clean sheet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 5 hours ago, TRC said: It's all been very rosey since Howe came in and he's done a great job, but what separates the good from the elite is how they deal with drops in momentum and going to plan B. what separates us from the elite is the quality of playing squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said: 2 years ago today, we drew 0-0 vs. Sam Allardyce’s West Brom Jesus Dubravka MOTM seemed to happen every week under Bruce, even when we lost by 3 or 4. What a grim couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ryan said: Jesus Dubravka MOTM seemed to happen every week under Bruce, even when we lost by 3 or 4. What a grim couple of years. He kept us in games on his own in 2019-20, Bruce's first season in charge. Hate to think how many points he earnt us that season. Darlow played about three fifths of the COVID season but once Dubravka come back in he's been as dodgy as he ever has been since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 38 minutes ago, Ryan said: Jesus Dubravka MOTM seemed to happen every week under Bruce, even when we lost by 3 or 4. What a grim couple of years. He basically kept us up for 2-3 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said: 2 years ago today, we drew 0-0 vs. Sam Allardyce’s West Brom Wasn't that match billed El Jurassico? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) The thought of a Sam Allardyce v Steve Bruce game at PL level, man. Edited March 7, 2023 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 52 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: The thought of a Sam Allardyce v Steve Bruce game at PL level, man. Surely that match up must have happened several times? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Surely that match up must have happened several times? First time I ever willingly/had to suffer watching it. Made me want to commit seppuku. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Post match from here if anyone fancies it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Post match from here if anyone fancies it. On 07/03/2021 at 13:50, Mike said: We endured that together, lads. That's love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: First time I ever willingly/had to suffer watching it. Made me want to commit seppuku. So which PFM Vs PFM would deliver the worst match? Sooo many repulsive combinations, but I reckon Souness Vs Bruce could be the most eye wateringly hideous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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