Big Geordie Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Butcher said: Eh? We got a draw vs City last year. Beat ManUtd, Spurs and Chelsea. A point at the Emirates. Absolutely no reason why we shouldn't do the same this year. I should have added regularly. Rome wasn't built in a day and clearly FFP stops us doing what Man City and Chelsea have done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The Butcher said: Eh? We got a draw vs City last year. Beat ManUtd, Spurs and Chelsea. A point at the Emirates. Absolutely no reason why we shouldn't do the same this year. This was a different game though. Even before the red card Liverpool sat off us and wanted us to play. That's a different kind of game to say Man Utd or Spurs who tried to out fight us and got steamrolled. 7 minutes ago, Jagten said: Howe has been fantastic. I am not suggesting we should have appointed anyone else. Results thus far could not have been any better. My point is we should be making lots of asymmetrical - ideally uncorrelated - bets. Whilst I am not privy to our internal decision making it feels like Eddie's influence has grown, and our largest bet has increasingly become him. Tonali and Barnes, the two most likely starters, feel like accessories to his style above anything else. Taking such a concentrated position is generally how you blow up. I think I'd agree that Barnes feels like an accessory to his style right now, but Tonali feels like a central building block that is adaptable enough to play in several styles. The same is true of Gordon. I think it's difficult to justify anything but ample opportunity for Eddie to impart his preference on the squad while we build, but it's interesting to see your interpretation of the deals, as I believe a lot of the major signings are not one style players but rather promising players that can be moulded if a new coach comes in 2-3 years down the line. Edited August 27, 2023 by Viana Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Big Geordie said: As someone said earlier, we just don't have the nouse (yet!) to go toe-to-toe with the 'Top 4/5' as yet. We've come so far inside 2 years - remember where we were. We have and we've proven that we can. Spurs home and away, Man Utd home and away, Chelsea home and away and even the games we've drawn and lost against Arsenal, Liverpool and Man City last season have shown that. Today, not winning a match that was handed to us on a plate, in fact actually ending up losing it, is utter shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: They can not accept it if they want - our turnover will be roughly on par with West Ham for last season. If our ability to spend was on the same footing as the Sky Six, then they’d have a point. Until it is, expectations should be in line with wage bills. They own the club so we will see, their expectations I would imagine would be Europa League at a minimum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Not remotely concerned about what this means long-term, I don’t think it’ll dent his confidence or belief but I do think he’ll use it as a major learning exercise. His major work is going to be figuring out how to break teams down this season and I think Gordon and Isak are the key Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 42 minutes ago, Jagten said: Mostly OTT takes in a game where we weren’t great but were still unlucky not to win. That said, we have doubled down on Eddie – hired his family and gone to the limit FFP in pursuit of his style. I hope it does not become relevant to ask whether we could have hedged our advantageous position better. 6 minutes ago, Jagten said: Howe has been fantastic. I am not suggesting we should have appointed anyone else. Results thus far could not have been any better. My point is we should be making lots of asymmetrical - ideally uncorrelated - bets. Whilst I am not privy to our internal decision making it feels like Eddie's influence has grown, and our largest bet has increasingly become him. Tonali and Barnes, the two most likely starters, feel like accessories to his style above anything else. Taking such a concentrated position is generally how you blow up. I see where you're coming from, but I don't really think that's right. I'd say one of the best things about what we've done overall is build a squad and club that, if Eddie somehow disappeared tomorrow, is really well positioned to be taken on by A.N.Other. There's nothing eccentric about it, no sense of personality cult. Just team spirit, fitness, tactical awareness and natural quality. I wouldn't accept any manager coming in and struggling Bruce-style to convert the team to 'his way of thinking'. Conversely, if the club had hedged it's bets with, say, an oppositional sports director we could end up at war with ourselves and not getting the best out of what we have which, overall, Howe absolutely has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Signings have also been young with big re-sale value, seems a bit weird angle to take. And completely unnecessary at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, Ash2579 said: His signings have been super safe and not improved the starting 11 one bit! Tino Barnes Hall squad fillers! Nonsense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 From what I've gathered from the Amazon doc, the fact that the owners knew they wanted top 4 early last season (atleast the timeline was cut that way by the editors), makes me think they're almost too ambitious for where we are. It'd be a horrible mistake to shift Eddie on, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Ash2579 said: His signings have been super safe and not improved the starting 11 one bit! Tino Barnes Hall squad fillers! Tonali ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, Ash2579 said: His signings have been super safe and not improved the starting 11 one bit! Tino Barnes Hall squad fillers! Tonali is a squad filler? Barnes scored more goals than any of our players except Wilson in a relegated team. Class take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Ash2579 said: His signings have been super safe and not improved the starting 11 one bit! Tino Barnes Hall squad fillers! Wow, that blue pop does narf stink. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boyo Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Eddie heee, Eddie whooo, eddie eeee, eddie Ha’owe! that’s all I’ll say on the matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Ash2579 said: His signings have been super safe and not improved the starting 11 one bit! Tino Barnes Hall squad fillers! all those poor windows going unlicked while you're busy posting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) We're a bit predictable in the way we play atm, and Howe seems to be putting out the same players while also making the same subs again. We can't do this for a long time regardless, there needs to be rotation at some point due to added games. One thing we need to remember is that during our bad run of form this winter we were seeing and complaining about similar things. We looked predictable and were playing the same players with the same tactics and subs. However Howe acknowledged this and changed things up, and it worked brilliantly. Just when I started to doubt that he could adapt to being figured out, we went on a fantastic streak again. I'm sure Howe will spend a lot of time analyzing this game to figure out how him and the players can learn from this. He's no Steve Bruce who will solely blame any defeat on being unlucky. Edited August 27, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Fuck it at this rate I’m registering SACKHOWE.COM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 His signings being poor is a beyond fucking lifting take but you're allowed to criticise him without wanting him out otherwise what's the point of a forum without differing points of view? The subs negatively impacted us today. The game was there for us, yet we fucking lost it. Awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Ash2579 said: Barnes is no better than Gordon Hall won’t replace Burn this season Tino won’t replace Trips Tonali is the only player that potentially upgrades us, but he’s replaced Longstaff who was integral last year! Super safe Eddie has got what he wanted! Almost as if a football squad isn't just made up of the first 11 players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Even if you aren't a fan of our transfer policy (each to their own), Howe is only a cog in the machine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlenMag Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 How many games have we lost after taking the lead under Howe? I can't remember any before today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, Ash2579 said: Have we improved the starting 11 Have we? No! Yes, Tonali is better than Longstaff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, GlenMag said: How many games have we lost after taking the lead under Howe? I can't remember any before today Liverpool away last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, HaydnNUFC said: His signings being poor is a beyond fucking lifting take but you're allowed to criticise him without wanting him out otherwise what's the point of a forum without differing points of view? The subs negatively impacted us today. The game was there for us, yet we fucking lost it. Awful. Forgive me if I missed a few posts, but I seems to me that the ones who have easily gotten the most static were actually questioning whether we should continue with him. He of course deserves criticism today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, Ash2579 said: Have we improved the starting 11 Have we? No! We’re three games in ffs. We don’t know what the XI for the season will look like - it may be very different come May Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlenMag Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, joeyt said: Liverpool away last season Aw fuck aye, just have to wipe this one from the memory bank like that one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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