Eddie Howe

[andycap]

8 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Some really short memories. Embarrassing some of the stuff that continues to be said here.

Well let's just finish midtable and be happy playing terrible football. And how long should we be happy until we are allowed to question howe? 

[Kid Icarus]

11 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

This is the major criticism that I completely get, and it lines up with what @WillDanceForChocolate has said previously I think, basically that he struggles to change things.

 

To anybody wanting to put pressure on though, it's madness. Things will get back to normal eventually, we're not going to get relegated, push for the top4 again next year.

 

Thing is though pre injuries and last season he did mix it up. Maybe not perfectly, he'd sometimes make subs late and risk big players (like Bruno at Sheff Wed)

 

But these injuries are unprecedented like. I dunno how you approach it short of throwing some matches to win others.

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

1) So we're using a hypothetical scenario as a stick to beat him with?

2) Earlier on in the season I may judge agreed with us, but at present the midfield are utterly knackered. Decision making and reaction timed is painfully slow in that area of the field at the moment.

(1) no I’m using the fact we have a team incapable of physically doing what he wants and he’s done little to help them do it. 
 

(2) is linked to 1. Personally I would have forgiven Howe for not starting or playing Bruno and Gordon in any league cup. And I’m sorry - our midfielders often vacate midfield. Time and again. It’s not impossible to stop that. Bruno is always pressing the oppositions deepest midfielder. He’s not got the legs to do that effectively atm - why do we even try it? They play it around him or just run straight past and then they are running at our defence. Just have him and another midfielder sit in front of that defence for 90 minutes. 

[Smal]

2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Can one of the must-criticise-Howe posters watch Anthony Gordon's recovery run for Liverpool's 3rd and explain to me why that's happening?

 

Could it be poor tactics, lack of effort from just one of the many players everyone should know by now that work their arses off? Laziness?

 

Or could it be the one smacking everyone in the face, that he like loads of them, are fucking knackered? Or is that too obvious therefore you have to ignore it and look at anything else?

I’m not even slightly Howe out or anything but I guess my counter to that point would be why on earth is he playing? It was obvious he couldn’t run weeks ago, let alone after the first half today. That he played the full game today seems absolutely mad to me.

 

That we haven’t really got anyone else doesn’t really change that point either imo. He’s (same applies to Miggy) been struggling for ages… just take him out and play Ritchie for a game and sacrifice that area of the field/adapt to suit. The season is long, and especially this season you can’t just take each game as it comes like we did last season.

[dcmk]

Just now, Dava1892 said:

Agreed but there can be more to his game, a whole lot more. He looked wrecked tonight and didn’t even break a sweat.

Reading comments like this just makes me think we don’t deserve good players 

[LiquidAK]

Feels like the majority of the two "sides" are fighting about things that aren't happening

 

A very small minority are calling for Howe to be sacked.

A very small minority are saying you can't have any criticism of the manager.

 

Neither of these views are that widespread from what I can see.

[Armchair Pundit]

I'm more than willing to let Howe continue with the build. There's potentially parallels to Alex Ferguson's start at Man Utd in 1986 after taking over from a diabolical Ron Atkinson:

 

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Ferguson joined the club from Aberdeen on the same day that Ron Atkinson was dismissed,[1] and guided the club to an 11th-place finish in the league.[2] Despite a second-place finish in 1987–88, the club was back in 11th place the following season.[3] Reportedly on the verge of being dismissed, victory over Crystal Palace in the 1990 FA Cup Final replay (after a 3–3 draw) saved Ferguson's career.

 

First year, Eddie stabilised us after a dog awful former ownership and utter dogshit management under Bruce. Second season we over-achieved massively. Third season we're struggling, but let's say the second half of the season picks up and we continue to build, maybe even manage an FA Cup run. Eddie's shown enough that he could well be capable of doing great things under the right circumstances, yes he could probably do some bits and pieces a bit differently, even with the injuries, etc, but don't forget he's still a young manager and still learning. Chopping and changing clearly doesn't work in the long term for any team, stability rules once the right manager is found and backed, Eddie is still that manager for us imo.

[simonsays]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I agree, and too many are reacting emotively to criticism and thinking it’s the same as calling for his head.  It isn’t.  And it’s a football forum - not sure what else folks are meant to talk about.  I wouldn’t want to read lots of ostrich impersonators sticking their heads in the sand, telling me that shit is sugar. 

It's the hyperbole rather than anything else.  Everyone knows we're on a bad run if form, but our form for the 18 months previously has been better than anyone could have hoped for,.

[Newcastle Fan]

Just now, Strawberry said:

He can loss all the games this season and l still back him to be our manager. We need to sack the director of Football and the scouting team not Eddie.

 

I've mentioned this before but Dan Ashworth takes more blame than Eddie; Eddie had a team made mostly out of Steve Bruce's players beat psg 4-1 in the champions league; our recuritment and prepration for this  season have been terrible and the DOF takes the blame for that.

[The College Dropout]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

 

Thing is though pre injuries and last season he did mix it up. Maybe not perfectly, he'd sometimes make subs late and risk big players (like Bruno at Sheff Wed)

 

But these injuries are unprecedented like. I dunno how you approach it short of throwing some matches to win others.

By not ‘throwing matches’ earlier - we’ve ended up throwing more matches later through fatigue. 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

2 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

Howe got absolutely pelters for bringing Ritchie on against Chelsea. But now people would have been happy for him starting numerous games in the league for us? 

 

 

Howe was the one who decided it was better to give Ritchie and PaullyD new contracts rather than look at a couple of risks from abroad. 
 

If he’s happy to have them in the squad then he should be using them against the relegation threatened teams at least

[gbandit]

6 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

Stop being a gaslighting prick and you might not get any abuse then eh?

This is out of order. Yorkie’s got a different take to you, puts it out there. Whatever, you have different opinions. He tries to shut it down with an innocuous post basically saying “let’s just accept we don’t agree” and you respond with that

[The Butcher]

Just now, Jaqen said:

Howe got absolutely pelters for bringing Ritchie on against Chelsea. But now people would have been happy for him starting numerous games in the league for us? 

 

 

Wouldn't have a problem with that if it meant Gordon could get a rest.

 

It would just be common sense to give the absolute knackered players a rest, even if the quality drops.

 

Hall, Dummett, Ritchie, Krafth should all have played a decent amount of football over the last month, but they've hardly had a kick.

 

Playing the same knackered players every game has done us no good at al, quite the opposite in fact when you look at performances and results.

[Wandy]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

 

What the fuck are you on about? I didn't gaslight you at all. If you're calling their performance 'a disgrace,' after everything these players and staff have given, then you are entitled. 

 

I tried to end this exchange, btw, but you're coming back with more abuse.

 

The very fact that you accused me of being "entitled" for daring to have an opinion on a football forum is a glaring example of your gaslighting. Go and look it up before making your next post.

[Ronaldo]

2 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

Feels like the majority of the two "sides" are fighting about things that aren't happening

 

A very small minority are calling for Howe to be sacked.

A very small minority are saying you can't have any criticism of the manager.

 

Neither of these views are that widespread from what I can see.

No one wants him sacked. I’ve thankfully not seen that once on here. 

[Bimpy474]

Well you don't get rid of him because we are having a bad run, obviously that run can't be never ending but he certainly deserves time for players to return and to maybe add a few.

 

Look at West Ham, they stuck Moyes despite a couple of poor seasons during his tenure.

[Hhtoon]

Apart from the odd spell we were pretty grim today and some of the basics just weren't there. We're extremely easy to play through and very weak when teams counter (NFFC really highlighted this and continued today).

 

I'm not particularly upset about it in the overall scheme of the project/team (I'll avoid all other football content for a day or so as per usual when we lose ) and appreciate we still have work to do - Howe certainly has some areas he needs to focus on but love him and the team. I feel we're still in the early phases of setting the foundations and need another season or 2 to build up the squad to compete. Last year set some high expectations but I always thought this season would be a struggle.

 

Hall doesn't seem to be fully trusted and these "misses" in the transfer windows hit us hard compared to other teams who have had years to build a proper squad.

 

Fucking hate losing to Liverpool mind you, especially like that 

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, simonsays said:

It's the hyperbole rather than anything else.  Everyone knows we're on a bad run if form, but our form for the 18 months previously has been better than anyone could have hoped for,.

I agree, and it has to be take as the whole picture.  A bad spell was inevitable at some point.  I think Howe does take a share of the blame - just as he takes a share of the credit for the previous form.  His managerial bank balance remains ‘in credit’ for me.  We should have some faith that he can correct what’s going wrong - including his own missteps.  He’s not going to be able correct everything at the moment - so he needs time. 

[Dokko]

5 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

This is the bit I continue to disagree with you on. It's just not that bad. We massively overachieved last season, we're underachieving this season but for fairly clear reasons. You can and will be disagreed with when people disagree with you mate. I don't know where this sense of vindication has come from when the issues that have led us here are still present.

 

 

 

 

Yes, I'm glad he's still here but he is the reason we are where we are, both now and last season. He ran a small team of overachieving players into the ground and it worked as we were lucky with injuries.

 

This season we've had more games, but only 6. It hasn't merited the talk of not being able to train for 4 months. Do other CL teams not train anymore? You could argue villas schedule is worse playing on a Thursday night, but their manager has European experience and knows the need to rotate. We've been very unlucky this season with injuries, but his demands of players, lack of rotation and late subs cannot work with added games and injuries, but he's decided to not change a thing. Just keep going in hope he gets a break. You can't plan for injuries, but when they happen you need to rotate your way out of it. This is when new or young players are thrown into the deep end and it's sink or swim. Hall should have had 5 or 10 starts now and he on his was to being a squad player. He costs us points by playing? Well what are we protecting with all these losses?

 

It's not good enough at this level and I expected more from him and sad to see it come to this. I had no doubt he'd adapt to all that was this season, but it's continue on and compound the issues to a point were now saying it'll get worse before it gets better shite and that a loss to the mackems should just be accepted. What the actual fuck? 

 

I saw all this defend the manager at all costs under pardew, as he landed 5th and had credit in the bank, I didn't buy it then and don't now. 

 

 

[LiquidAK]

Just now, Ronaldo said:

No one wants him sacked. I’ve thankfully not seen that once on here. 

Wish I could say the same.

[Wandy]

2 minutes ago, gbandit said:

This is out of order. Yorkie’s got a different take to you, puts it out there. Whatever, you have different opinions. He tries to shut it down with an innocuous post basically saying “let’s just accept we don’t agree” and you respond with that

 

The truth hurts. He was the one who got personal...."there's summat wrong with you mate, your too entitled". Bullshit.

[OoOGazOoO]

End of scale - Howe sacked

 

Other end of scale - Performance was good.

 

The middle ground is probably where we need to be with our thoughts.

 

 

Edited January 1 by OoOGazOoO

[Ronaldo]

3 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

Wish I could say the same.

Who?

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Smal said:

I’m not even slightly Howe out or anything but I guess my counter to that point would be why on earth is he playing? It was obvious he couldn’t run weeks ago, let alone after the first half today. That he played the full game today seems absolutely mad to me.

 

That we haven’t really got anyone else doesn’t really change that point either imo. He’s (same applies to Miggy) been struggling for ages… just take him out and play Ritchie for a game and sacrifice that area of the field/adapt to suit. The season is long, and especially this season you can’t just take each game as it comes like we did last season.

This is where I’m at. 
 

‘Anthony Gordon is heavily fatigued so he’s being rested today.’ Could’ve done that 2-3 times over the last 2 months and most would’ve understood. 
 

This is where Howe is perhaps naive at this level. He’s treated this run a bit like a football league campaign.  You use momentum to get through congested fixtures. At this elite level you need to utilise the squad more at any circumstance. Someone like Klopp will play a kid and then blame the FA and FIFA for fixture congestion and say he has no choice. Mourinho, Rafa and Conte will blame the board for not backing him in the transfer market to compete on all fronts. Howe’s gritting his teeth and trying to powe through it. It doesn’t work like that.  He was hoping we pick up a result or two and that momentum could carry us in other games. That’s not how it works at this level. 

[Displayname]

16 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Can one of the must-criticise-Howe posters watch Anthony Gordon's recovery run for Liverpool's 3rd and explain to me why that's happening?

 

Could it be poor tactics, lack of effort from just one of the many players everyone should know by now that work their arses off? Laziness?

 

Or could it be the one smacking everyone in the face, that he like loads of them, are fucking knackered? Or is that too obvious therefore you have to ignore it and look at anything else?

I mean him being overreliant on and running certain players to the ground is one of, if not the main criticism he gets.

 

Gordon may have been the best pick for every individual game we have had. But looking at the bigger picture we would have been better off if he would have gotten some rest.