Eddie Howe

[Chris_R]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I get the point but it’s really not that bad IMO. The bigger problem is the midfield, which would lead to almost any LB being vulnerable. 

 

Well why isn't our right back just as vulnerable?

 

Burn is too slow. He doesn't get outskilled, nobody's sending him the wrong way with a deft feint or the drop of a shoulder, people just knock the ball past him and run, and there's nothing he can do. That's not even something he can work on in training, he'll never be any faster.

 

Yes our midfield could offer more protection to the back line, but Burn being beaten for pace again and again by people just running round him isn't the midfield's fault.

[Myleftboot]

Could see he was getting a bit pissed off with the interviewer.

[The College Dropout]

13 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Well why isn't our right back just as vulnerable?

 

Burn is too slow. He doesn't get outskilled, nobody's sending him the wrong way with a deft feint or the drop of a shoulder, people just knock the ball past him and run, and there's nothing he can do. That's not even something he can work on in training, he'll never be any faster.

 

Yes our midfield could offer more protection to the back line, but Burn being beaten for pace again and again by people just running round him isn't the midfield's fault.

Tbf if Pope was playing that goal never happens.  But I get your point. Burn was rippped multiple times and was an obvious weak link.  And Pope isn’t playing so hopeful balls behind Burn with the attacker giving Burn a 5 yard head start will continue to be a problem. 

[NEEJ]

My man. 

[NEEJ]

41 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Anyone has a bad word to say about him better be prepared for a fight. Not with me like, but I'll find someone 

I'll fight them, like. Fuck anyone who talks shite about wor Eddie. 

[Hanshithispantz]

21 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Well why isn't our right back just as vulnerable?

 

Burn is too slow. He doesn't get outskilled, nobody's sending him the wrong way with a deft feint or the drop of a shoulder, people just knock the ball past him and run, and there's nothing he can do. That's not even something he can work on in training, he'll never be any faster.

 

Yes our midfield could offer more protection to the back line, but Burn being beaten for pace again and again by people just running round him isn't the midfield's fault.

I mean the same happened to Botman. I like Dubs but he's a lot slower off his line than Pope.

 

That wasn't the issue last week like, Burn was genuinely rinsed, but any keeper quick off his line and adept at the sweeper role does better against Elanga today.

[Pata]

4 hours ago, Beren said:

I'd not be devastated if he replaced Southgate if I'm honest. Last season was a 9/10 performance. This year is closer to 5/10.

 

Ah man, hope someone hacked your account.

[Pata]

3 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

Assuming we want to go and win titles, do you genuinely believe Howe is the man to do it ? Genuine question btw, I’m not sure either way at this stage.

 

Is there anything that suggests that he wouldn't be the man right now? He's worked at Bournemouth, Burnley and Newcastle which he took to a cup final in his first full season. Only reason that question gets thrown about is the fact he hasn't won anything yet but I don't really think his trophy drought at Bournemouth looks that bad on his CV (if you exclude the numerous promotions). 

[Orphanage]

1 hour ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

My word a few on here man ?? I can imagine a few on here having their dream celebrity threesome (Karen Gillan and Gillian Anderson for moi fwiw) and spend the immediate aftermath complaining that one of them left their wet towels on the bathroom floor.
 

 

[Shearergol]

3 hours ago, David Edgar said:

 

The main issues are:

 

1) No Pope - so we can't play the high line to close down the space opponents have in midfield

2) Having to play Miley in midfield - which compounds the first issue. Miley just isn't ready for the physicality and it is showing

3) Injuries in general - so we are very inflexible in general, but especially off the bench

 

I think Dan Burn can play LB for us if we have Pope and a functioning midfield. But he is so vulnerable at the moment to balls over the top or wide. And I know we won today, but we relied on individual quality in a game that 2/3 we would lose. And I don't fully attribute that to Howe, before anyone says it. It is because of the reasons listed above. Although, at the same time, I am frustrated that we aren't addressing the LB issue and Tino is stuck on the bench. Maybe it is Burn's leadership, or his height, or the familiarity/partnerships with other players that keeps him on the pitch. I could be very wrong and it wouldn't be any better with Tino. But even still, I think it is completely fine to say "hey, that's a glaring issue" and "can Howe not do something about it?" Maybe the answer to the second question is no.

 

Will reemphasise that I think Howe is class, cos I think people are seriously missing that. 

Sensible post ??

[Tiresias]

Also Joelinton is fucking everywhere when he plays. Just can't replace that easily.

[BonesJones]

I'm quite happy to have a manager that the only things we can really nitpick are his use of substitutions and if Burn or Livramento should start. Could be far worse.

 

[HaydnNUFC]

That fist pump in front of the squad and staff after FT at the end felt like a huge release of relief for him. Felt great being part of that, celebrating it with him.

[James]

48 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Well why isn't our right back just as vulnerable?

 

 

Trippier is about as good a defender as Burn. I’ve seen him get done quite a few times, but in actual fact Schar is better at coming across and helping than Botman is. That’s one of the reasons.

 

However the main reason is that Trippier is one of the most creative players in the world, which helps us pin the opposition back on that side.

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I would only swap Howe for Pep in the PL and, given this is meant to be the best league in the world, that means he’s a brilliant manager. 

[Shearergol]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I would only swap Howe for Pep in the PL and, given this is meant to be the best league in the world, that means he’s a brilliant manager. 

Pep’s great but city are now as boring as Barca were in his final season. 

[Pata]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I would only swap Howe for Pep in the PL and, given this is meant to be the best league in the world, that means he’s a brilliant manager. 

 

Klopp too based on his ability (for now) but wouldn't want him due to his cuntish personality.

[aussiemag]

17 minutes ago, Pata said:

 

Klopp too based on his ability (for now) but wouldn't want him due to his cuntish personality.

I think Emery, Arteta (cunt), Postecoglou and possibly de Zerbi are on par with him. 

[Myleftboot]

3 minutes ago, aussiemag said:

I think Emery, Arteta (cunt), Postecoglou and possibly de Zerbi are on par with him. 

And that cunt from Girona.

[Mountain]

2 hours ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

My word a few on here man ?? I can imagine a few on here having their dream celebrity threesome (Karen Gillan and Gillian Anderson for moi fwiw) and spend the immediate aftermath complaining that one of them left their wet towels on the bathroom floor.
 

Have we already become so detached from where we were less than two years ago to not be able to enjoy a hard fought away win?

 

Maybe 30 years ago re Gillian Anderson.

[Cf]

20 minutes ago, aussiemag said:

I think Emery, Arteta (cunt), Postecoglou and possibly de Zerbi are on par with him. 

 

I feel like I bring this up often but what exactly has de Zerbi achieved apart from having Brighton at or about where Potter left them?

[Orphanage]

17 minutes ago, Mountain said:

 

Maybe 30 years ago re Gillian Anderson.

Hush child 

[Beren]

6 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

Some of his decision making has been questionable, of course. But no manager is perfect. 
 

I still feel he is 100% the right man for us at this current time and that he should get another transfer window and a crack at next season with players returning. Unless of course the wheels properly come off between now and May.
 

I’d be gutted if we lost him and I don’t see who is going to come in, in the here and now and do a better job. 
 

I think almost suggesting you’d sort of Partridge shrug  if he were to leave is fairly controversial. 

 

Well, firstly - I appreciate the non-aggro response, I don't venture into this forum that often - nice to know there's still reasoned discussion to be had  To be clear though, I neither expect or demand perfection from a manager. I don't care much at all about one-off mistakes, errors of judgement, bad days at the office etc.

 

Some have suggested "we don't demand a team that wins, we demand a team that tries" has been forgotten, or was never sincere. I still agree with the statement. But, for me, "trying" is the minimum bar for the club - and probably not that aspirational. The Ashley era had a super regressive impact on the club psyche IMO - I struggle to get behind the idea that as long as you give it your all, if it doesn't come off, you throw your hands up in the air and say "it wasn't meant to be".

 

My "want" is success and trophies, and I'm not in the slightest bit ashamed to say that out loud. I'm firmly middle-aged, and I'd love to see Newcastle win a trophy before I get off. I have probably now shed the bulk of the sentimentality I had as a younger fan. (I think it died when Hughton left the club, who ultimately had a lower ceiling than Howe but similarly salvaged a broken NUFC and returned it to top flight football and restored dignity, togetherness and pride - his departure was horrible ).

 

I'm not desperate to see the back of Howe or anything. I don't want to get too HTT about it, so I'll just say this: the scale of positive impact he has brought to the club leaves any negative impact imperceptible to the naked eye.

 

BUT - I do think it's worth exploring other options if they improve our chances of winning a trophy. 

 

Those chances are probably better with a manager who can grow/adapt, and I am concerned about about Howe's continued intransigence about not using his squad/substitutes (even when his players are dropping like flies), his unfathomable loyalty to BDB in open games, and not evolving the team's style of play away from outworking opponents (which feels even less sustainable in the long term this season, than it did last season).* These are becoming long-term trends, not isolated issues.

 

* -  In his defence, I'm sure his and the club's summer plans have been blown to smithereens by Tonali and the cavalcade of injuries that followed, but there is a fair bit that has been in his control which has left me really confused. But, Tonali and Joelinton being done for the season, and Longstaff looking a shadow of himself from last year are absolute hammerblows.

 

Zooming out, I do think Newcastle are in a really good position to break into the elite with their squad and set-up, but with FFP and Old Money teams seeking to put up more barriers to entry to join the elite - I don't assume that the window for NUFC to capitalise on its position of relative strength will last forever. 

 

I think of the likes of Bruno and Isak - these incredible transformative talents - not just in terms of having their heads turned if they don't get European football - but also just getting fucking burnt out playing this attritional style of football that wears away their bodies. There's no guarantee whatsoever last season wasn't the highwater mark for the next decade.  I very much hope not, but the talk of "last year being ahead of schedule" feels like a throwback to a different era of football. IMO, you spike into the elite really quickly, or you get stripped to the bone in the summer by Old Money. Sometimes both. 

 

 

4 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I like you so I’ll keep the stream of expletives and threats in my head. 

 

Thanks I think 
 

 

4 hours ago, LiquidAK said:

Disagree massively tbh. I think he's perfect for both where we are and where we're aiming to go. He's a relatively young coach who's really struggled with the hand he's been dealt this season - but he's the heartbeat of the club and will grow with us imo.

 

I'd be absolutely devastated if we lost him, think it'd be such a massive step back.

 

If he were to leave for England in the summer, I wouldn't be indifferent but I also don't currently view him in the light of being the sure thing who can take us to the next level. I see him as a great young coach, but flawed (warts on show this year!), with the potential for growth. I could see there being other great candidates who would be attracted to the job and could do a great job too though - so it's not like Pep Guardiola leaving.

 

I will say Howe is a really classy ambassador for the club, and has built a good relationship with the fans - and I don't underestimate the value of that (I very well remember the Pardews, Bruces etc) but it is replicable (Hughton, Benitez etc) and I don't think it's as irreplaceable as it feels right now, maybe. It feels like gold dust post-Ashley though, which makes sense, but I don't see why it can't be normalised. Maybe I'm an idealist.
 

 

1 hour ago, Pata said:

 

Ah man, hope someone hacked your account.

 

Sorry to disappoint mate.

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I would only swap Howe for Pep in the PL and, given this is meant to be the best league in the world, that means he’s a brilliant manager. 

 

There's a fair few that just can't see this.

 

I really think a fair few on here really just ought to go ahead and support Man City and enjoy their lives.

 

All the talk about our players not being technical enough, how we need more control of games, how we shouldn't be losing to this or that team, us not spending enough money, the squad not being good enough quickly enough, going on about us being the richest club in the world and so we should act like it ... etc etc etc.

 

They are just so desperate to be Man City and so why not just support them?

 

Instead they remain and complain constantly about everything that isn't as it is at Man City all the time.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 11 by KaKa

[Heron]

51 minutes ago, Beren said:

 

Well, firstly - I appreciate the non-aggro response, I don't venture into this forum that often - nice to know there's still reasoned discussion to be had  To be clear though, I neither expect or demand perfection from a manager. I don't care much at all about one-off mistakes, errors of judgement, bad days at the office etc.

 

Some have suggested "we don't demand a team that wins, we demand a team that tries" has been forgotten, or was never sincere. I still agree with the statement. But, for me, "trying" is the minimum bar for the club - and probably not that aspirational. The Ashley era had a super regressive impact on the club psyche IMO - I struggle to get behind the idea that as long as you give it your all, if it doesn't come off, you throw your hands up in the air and say "it wasn't meant to be".

 

My "want" is success and trophies, and I'm not in the slightest bit ashamed to say that out loud. I'm firmly middle-aged, and I'd love to see Newcastle win a trophy before I get off. I have probably now shed the bulk of the sentimentality I had as a younger fan. (I think it died when Hughton left the club, who ultimately had a lower ceiling than Howe but similarly salvaged a broken NUFC and returned it to top flight football and restored dignity, togetherness and pride - his departure was horrible ).

 

I'm not desperate to see the back of Howe or anything. I don't want to get too HTT about it, so I'll just say this: the scale of positive impact he has brought to the club leaves any negative impact imperceptible to the naked eye.

 

BUT - I do think it's worth exploring other options if they improve our chances of winning a trophy. 

 

Those chances are probably better with a manager who can grow/adapt, and I am concerned about about Howe's continued intransigence about not using his squad/substitutes (even when his players are dropping like flies), his unfathomable loyalty to BDB in open games, and not evolving the team's style of play away from outworking opponents (which feels even less sustainable in the long term this season, than it did last season).* These are becoming long-term trends, not isolated issues.

 

* -  In his defence, I'm sure his and the club's summer plans have been blown to smithereens by Tonali and the cavalcade of injuries that followed, but there is a fair bit that has been in his control which has left me really confused. But, Tonali and Joelinton being done for the season, and Longstaff looking a shadow of himself from last year are absolute hammerblows.

 

Zooming out, I do think Newcastle are in a really good position to break into the elite with their squad and set-up, but with FFP and Old Money teams seeking to put up more barriers to entry to join the elite - I don't assume that the window for NUFC to capitalise on its position of relative strength will last forever. 

 

I think of the likes of Bruno and Isak - these incredible transformative talents - not just in terms of having their heads turned if they don't get European football - but also just getting fucking burnt out playing this attritional style of football that wears away their bodies. There's no guarantee whatsoever last season wasn't the highwater mark for the next decade.  I very much hope not, but the talk of "last year being ahead of schedule" feels like a throwback to a different era of football. IMO, you spike into the elite really quickly, or you get stripped to the bone in the summer by Old Money. Sometimes both. 

 

 

 

Thanks I think 
 

 

 

If he were to leave for England in the summer, I wouldn't be indifferent but I also don't currently view him in the light of being the sure thing who can take us to the next level. I see him as a great young coach, but flawed (warts on show this year!), with the potential for growth. I could see there being other great candidates who would be attracted to the job and could do a great job too though - so it's not like Pep Guardiola leaving.

 

I will say Howe is a really classy ambassador for the club, and has built a good relationship with the fans - and I don't underestimate the value of that (I very well remember the Pardews, Bruces etc) but it is replicable (Hughton, Benitez etc) and I don't think it's as irreplaceable as it feels right now, maybe. It feels like gold dust post-Ashley though, which makes sense, but I don't see why it can't be normalised. Maybe I'm an idealist.
 

 

 

Sorry to disappoint mate.

In your bits. You reference Joelintons being injured, Tonalis ban and Longstaffs downfall. I assume you're not attirvituing these to Howe?