Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Gawalls said:

You think you can knock this on the head on your own - your so fucking deluded (note - I’m also a Geordie)

I knocked my own head and decided that I wouldn’t make anymore of it, though other heads should receive a good knocking to hopefully put a stop to it  

[Shearergol]

15 minutes ago, joeyt said:

The Trippier moving into midfield is a strange one. Doesn't seem to be working and means we lose our best crosser of the ball

 

I found Murphy moving to the 2nd striker role equally baffling. 

[jackyboy]

If we had finished 10th or 11th last season after avoiding relegation people would have been happy. This season would be seen as another step in the rebuild and looking to finish 7th or 8th we would be on target for where we want to be. Because of the way we massively overachieved last season everything is measured against that 

[Mikky]

The positioning of Longstaff is dreadful - so many times he drifts into a position where no one can pass him the ball

[Colos Short and Curlies]

13 minutes ago, NWMag said:

 

A lot of the problems that were evident to me last night is a lot of our squad are bang average at best; last season they overperformed but have now reverted to type. Longstaff, Murphy, Burn, Lascelles etc.
 

im being a little mischievous here, and I’m only quoting you NWM for the wording, not directing this to you.

 

and for the record I do not believe Eddie is bang average.

 

but… there is a fair bit of comment on how the players who got us to 4th last season are not good enough to take us forward and need to be sold. Reverting to type as above and last season was a move from the norm.

 

so why can’t the same be true for Eddie and what we are now seeing is the real Eddie, with the first 18 months being exceptional?

 

fwiw I said early in his tenure that I thought Eddie would win us a cup but wouldn’t get is the league. I stand by this. He’s done a phenomenal job to get us here, and I’ve a sneaky feeling that we’re going to get a nice draw this evening and will get to the final of the FA cup. I then have doubts on whether he has enough left to be the one who takes us forward again. Sometimes people just have a useful shelf life and ultimately lay the groundwork for the next person to benefit 

[Zero]

7 minutes ago, jackyboy said:

If we had finished 10th or 11th last season after avoiding relegation people would have been happy. This season would be seen as another step in the rebuild and looking to finish 7th or 8th we would be on target for where we want to be. Because of the way we massively overachieved last season everything is measured against that 

Aye I start to think in this way as well, we should just ignore last season results and we all would appreciate Howe again.

 

Everything looks different if you just regard us as the former old Newcastle that always fight for relegation under the Fat Cunt. That’s a huge step forward in the sense that we ain’t fear for relegation anymore.

 

 

[Thumbheed]

Our counter press doesn't seem as effective nowadays.

 

 

[magorific]

3 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

im being a little mischievous here, and I’m only quoting you NWM for the wording, not directing this to you.

 

and for the record I do not believe Eddie is bang average.

 

but… there is a fair bit of comment on how the players who got us to 4th last season are not good enough to take us forward and need to be sold. Reverting to type as above and last season was a move from the norm.

 

so why can’t the same be true for Eddie and what we are now seeing is the real Eddie, with the first 18 months being exceptional?

 

fwiw I said early in his tenure that I thought Eddie would win us a cup but wouldn’t get is the league. I stand by this. He’s done a phenomenal job to get us here, and I’ve a sneaky feeling that we’re going to get a nice draw this evening and will get to the final of the FA cup. I then have doubts on whether he has enough left to be the one who takes us forward again. Sometimes people just have a useful shelf life and ultimately lay the groundwork for the next person to benefit 

 

So Howe NOT winning us the league is some sort of measure of his failings? Utter nonsense. We can't win the league, end of. Not while FFP maintains the established order of the Premier League.

[GWN]

Love EH , the haters can do one like , we’d miss him so much if he went 

[NWMag]

13 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

im being a little mischievous here, and I’m only quoting you NWM for the wording, not directing this to you.

 

and for the record I do not believe Eddie is bang average.

 

but… there is a fair bit of comment on how the players who got us to 4th last season are not good enough to take us forward and need to be sold. Reverting to type as above and last season was a move from the norm.

 

so why can’t the same be true for Eddie and what we are now seeing is the real Eddie, with the first 18 months being exceptional?

 

fwiw I said early in his tenure that I thought Eddie would win us a cup but wouldn’t get is the league. I stand by this. He’s done a phenomenal job to get us here, and I’ve a sneaky feeling that we’re going to get a nice draw this evening and will get to the final of the FA cup. I then have doubts on whether he has enough left to be the one who takes us forward again. Sometimes people just have a useful shelf life and ultimately lay the groundwork for the next person to benefit 

It’s a valid theory to put forward, and you’re right in the sense that overachieving isn’t limited just to the players. 
 

however I believe that a large part of them overperforming was down to Howe. 
 

As said I do have faith in Howe, however I do acknowledge that he also needs to evolve and make improvements to himself if he is going to reach the top. 

[The College Dropout]

35 minutes ago, jackyboy said:

If we had finished 10th or 11th last season after avoiding relegation people would have been happy. This season would be seen as another step in the rebuild and looking to finish 7th or 8th we would be on target for where we want to be. Because of the way we massively overachieved last season everything is measured against that 

Not after the Isak signing. 
 

you don’t sign a £60m striker to finish 11th.  We managed that the season before without one. 
 

We have the 7th highest wage bill in the league.  That should be our floor this season.  Especially when Chelsea are one of the clubs with a bigger wage bill.  

[Smal]

Our shape when our defenders have the ball in settled possession is absolutely awful tbh and that is a structural issue that he needs to fix. It’s one thing that’s entirely to do with coaching rather than tiredness. There’s rarely anything on for Schar or Botman/Lascelles other than a sideways pass to another defender and it eventually ends in us either being impatient and booting it, or coming under pressure and giving it away cheaply. 

[Ronaldo]

38 minutes ago, jackyboy said:

If we had finished 10th or 11th last season after avoiding relegation people would have been happy. This season would be seen as another step in the rebuild and looking to finish 7th or 8th we would be on target for where we want to be. Because of the way we massively overachieved last season everything is measured against that 

I’m sick of reading garbage like this mind. We finished 11th with Chris Wood up front, Shelvey in midfield, Fraser out wide, Dubravka in goal etc. 

 

If we’d finished 11th last season on the back of spending hundreds of millions the manager would’ve been sacked and rightfully so, tbh. 

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

I’m sick of reading garbage like this mind. We finished 11th with Chris Wood up front, Shelvey in midfield, Fraser out wide, Dubravka in goal etc. 

 

If we’d finished 11th last season on the back of spending hundreds of millions the manager would’ve been sacked and rightfully so, tbh. 

Couldn’t agree more. 
 

We finished 12th, 13th, 13th in three preceding seasons. 2 of them with Bruce as manager.

 

Finishing 11th with Isak, Bruno, Pope, Botman? Crazy.   

[Theregulars]

8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Couldn’t agree more. 
 

We finished 12th, 13th, 13th in three preceding seasons. 2 of them with Bruce as manager.

 

Finishing 11th with Isak, Bruno, Pope, Botman? Crazy.   

I don’t disagree with the sentiment but 3/4 of those players have missed significant time this season with injury. 

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

I don’t disagree with the sentiment but 3/4 of those players have missed significant time this season with injury. 

It's not all on Eddie by the way. I think our recent transfer strategy has been dodgy.

[OverThere]

7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

It's not all on Eddie by the way. I think our recent transfer strategy has been dodgy.

Barnes signing was the one I thought was dodgy. We have Gordon, Anderson, Joelinton all who can play in that position. The money would have been better spent on a proper 6 or a young up and coming striker 

[jackflap]

We were a well oiled machine last season but last night we'd a midfield of Bruno who's probably in need of a rest and had to curb his natural aggression. Willock who's barely kicked a ball since last May and Longstaff who's woefully off form. Pair that with Gordon who probably also needs a rest, an 80% fit Isak and a role player in Murphy and it's easy to see why we're spluttering. Hopefully between the good break between Wolves on Saturday and Chelsea the Monday week then the international break at the end of the month revitalises us.

 

One criticism I would make is that the team looks in dire need of an injection of energy and he's inexplicably starting on the bench most weeks.

 

 

Edited February 28 by jackflap

[The Prophet]

For various reasons, three of our four summer recruits have barely played this season. The jury is very much out for me.

[Holmesy]

24 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

It's not all on Eddie by the way. I think our recent transfer strategy has been dodgy.

I think the season and sentiment would be very different if we had a fully fit Tonali available for most of it. He was clearly brought in to bring creativity, class and drive from midfield and yet we've had to battle on with Longstaff and Miley for months on end.

 

On balance, given injuries, suspensions and management's reluctance to play certain players, we've arguably been weaker player-wise this season than we were last despite signing 4 talented additions. Couple that with teams now knowing how to effectively play against us, and it's surprising the decline hasn't been worse.

 

 

 

Edited February 28 by Holmesy

[Kid Icarus]

9 hours ago, Dr Jinx said:

I think you’re focussed on the wrong part of your own sentence.

 

Enough bad performances to remember a line being “trotted out” is surely the concern?

Not if your opinion is that too many in our support are hysterical messes who come out with that kind of nonsense on the reg like. 

[TRon]

40 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

I don’t disagree with the sentiment but 3/4 of those players have missed significant time this season with injury. 

 

 

I really don't see how anyone can just ignore this. For all we know, Tonali and Barnes might not have even improved us that much, but chances are they would have. Also just being able to rotate would have surely have won us points that we've dropped late in games on a lot of occasions. I've been critical of Howe's reluctance to throw younger players on the pitch at times when we've been flagging, but you can't really judge him on a season where half the squad has been out of action.

[Sibierski]

Trippier into midfield almost felt like a last option, I’m out of ideas so trying what others are doing, approach. Looked horrendous, and hopefully something we don’t see again as we don’t have the personnel to do that.

 

Think that and a 4-2-3-1 we tried earlier in season (can’t remember who against) have both been made during 2nd half’s and both been shocking. Certainly doesn’t feel like things players have trained on and it’s just on the fly change.

 

I keep flicking between what I want to see moving forward. Just what I do know for certain, the same approach as last season isn’t it. Even if it’s a subtle change, something needs changing because it’s clearly not working with teams more knowledgable to expose the weaknesses within it.

 

If we get back to making SJP a fortress again, the points tally for rest of season I have as a top aim of 28 out of 36. That would give 65 points which is a strong season IMO and on par for what would’ve been anticipated at start of season. 2 points from last 4 home games been so damaging though for our current position and means we have no choice but to hit that required form now. Having had 6 more points at this stage would’ve changed the narrative tenfold. 

[JonBez comesock]

Just now, Sibierski said:

If we get back to making SJP a fortress again,

Might help if some of the fans made some noise / watched the full game 

 

 

[Interpolic]

4 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

I really don't see how anyone can just ignore this. For all we know, Tonali and Barnes might not have even improved us that much, but chances are they would have. Also just being able to rotate would have surely have won us points that we've dropped late in games on a lot of occasions. I've been critical of Howe's reluctance to throw younger players on the pitch at times when we've been flagging, but you can't really judge him on a season where half the squad has been out of action.

 

No, we need to achieve a minimum of 7th because we have the 7th highest wage bill - doesn't matter if much of that wage bill has been out injured/suspended and the rest of them have been played to death.

 

Its a pathetic argument that ignores all context and nuance, which is unsurprising given who is posting it.