Eddie Howe

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

10 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

Entitled because I want to see my club win something, behave.

Everybody wants their club to win something, expecting it 30 months after a takeover of a hollowed out club on its knees. Having to deal with new financial rules designed to maintain the current status quo, isn’t just entitled it’s fucking deluded. 
 

Not mention we got to Wembley last year, and the quarters of both domestic cups this year; despite very cruel draws. I mean does it look to you as if the club isn’t trying or something?

 

 

[madras]

3 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

Actually, not once anywhere have I said he should have already delivered us a trophy, I'm asking the question of how many seasons does he get winning 0 trophies before we look elsewhere for someone who can? I've already said he deserves to continue.

 

The bloke has been great for us but needs to deliver silverware at some point, would imagine he would admit the same thing himself.

But I dont think you can put a time limit on it. Say you put a time limit of 3yrs and in those years we are runners up in everything only losing out on the title due to a last day PSG style refereeing decision. Do you think we should  say "oh well we set a time limit and you didn't win a Carabou Cup but off you pop even though we don't think we can get anyone better" 

 

Like I say the circumstances need constantly weighing up and its that that makes the decision, not some arbitrarily arrived at time scale.

[Mills and Boon]

9 minutes ago, Ginola14 said:

I wonder if Villa fans are saying similar about Emery 

 

did nowt in the domestic cups probably won't get a better chance at a trophy than they had in this season's ECL

 

There's always a few in every fanbase. Some of ours didn't want Howe at the start and have been looking for ammo to shout Howe Out ever since

[Gawalls]

35 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

So if we are going into the season after next with 0 trophies, would you be happy with the club making the decision to bring in someone else? 

 

Personally even if we qualify for Europe again next season I'd still be looking for someone who can win us some actual silverware rather than giving him another 5 year contract.

 

We all love Howe and I recognise that he's a good coach but if it becomes evident he can't deliver the goods we need to leave the sentiment behind.

 

I desperately want him to succeed I just have my doubts, but he should be safe for the time being.

So you’d sack him for failing to deliver what every manager for the last 60 or more years has also failed to deliver?  IMO that’s ridiculous

[Mills and Boon]

8 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

Actually, not once anywhere have I said he should have already delivered us a trophy, I'm asking the question of how many seasons does he get winning 0 trophies before we look elsewhere for someone who can? I've already said he deserves to continue.

 

The bloke has been great for us but needs to deliver silverware at some point, would imagine he would admit the same thing himself.

 

I'm happy just to see improvement on and off the pitch. This season has been blighted by injuries so the on the pitch side of things has suffered. But we've still managed to scrape a pretty good season out of it, and next season we'll improve again with fewer games to play.

 

The more we push on the better our chances of silverware are. If it gets to the point where it looks like Howe can't improve us any further, then it's time to look into another manager, but that's not the case for me.

 

Silverware is the aim, but I'll take overall improvement to the club as a whole over that at the moment. Ten Hag's just won two pots in two years, but Man U look to be heading backwards under him. Would you swap Howe for him? I wouldn't 

[Norseman]

For me, Eddie Howe has delivered and I am 100 % behind him and the team.

 

We should stick with him. He’s overachieved so far. And he has done so playing a very entertaining and attractive style.

 

Given quality players, he will win games and in time, winning games will eventually win trophies.

 

I don’t think it’s fair to expect trophies when we are so far behind the «big 6» in terms of spending.

 

We are hampered financially, not due to the manager. The manager is perfect for us IMO.

 

 

Edited May 26 by Norseman

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

3 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

So you’d sack him for failing to deliver what every manager for the last 60 or more years has also failed to deliver?  IMO that’s ridiculous

So you would give him a free pass with 0 trophies for the next 5 years 10 years? Simply because we haven't won anything in so long anyway? Seems an odd stance.

 

I've already said he has credit in the bank and deserves a chance to deliver, all I'm saying is if it becomes apparent he can't do that then other options would eventually need to be considered, not sure why this is such a controversial opinion.

[madras]

3 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

So you would give him a free pass with 0 trophies for the next 5 years 10 years? Simply because we haven't won anything in so long anyway? Seems an odd stance.

 

I've already said he has credit in the bank and deserves a chance to deliver, all I'm saying is if it becomes apparent he can't do that then other options would eventually need to be considered, not sure why this is such a controversial opinion.

Nope, you were saying we should put time limits on it "how many seasons" etc without looking at context or circumstance 

 

 

Edited May 26 by madras

[AyeDubbleYoo]

34 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

I completely understand that, because of where we've come from over the last 20 years it's easy to just be happy that we're competing and qualifying for Europe, which obviously is an amazing thing, I'm just wondering how long people are willing to wait before we actually win something to consider Howe might not be the answer to our trophy drought, when does qualifying for Europe become not enough?

I would say about 5-7 years.

 

Or when the manager has a squad that’s good enough to realistically win something. 

 

 

Edited May 26 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Mills and Boon]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I would say about 5-7 years.

 

Or when the manager has a squad that’s good enough to realistically win something. 

 

 

 

 

Aye. When the squad is of a level that winning something is expected, there's no obvious improvement to be made and he still can't deliver a trophy, it's time to move on and let someone else have a crack

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It’s mad to base anything on an outcome as unlikely as winning a trophy anyway TBH. Most seasons there are 3 to win and you have to finish better than at least three really elite clubs to get one. You could have a near perfect season and not win a trophy. 
 

When Pep moves on we can talk again. 

 

 

Edited May 26 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I would say about 5-7 years.

 

Or when the manager has a squad that’s good enough to realistically win something. 

 

 

 

We've just watched a team that finished below us in the league win the Fa Cup only yesterday, a team that's also been blighted by injuries.

 

Having said that I didn't really expect us to win anything by this point anyway, it just needs to go that way within the next couple of seasons IMO or rightfully questions will need to be asked.

 

This isn't Howe out, it's Howe needs to deliver silverware, particularly if he's well backed in the next few windows.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

We've just watched a team that finished below us in the league win the Fa Cup only yesterday, a team that's also been blighted by injuries.

 

Having said that I didn't really expect us to win anything by this point anyway, it just needs to go that way within the next couple of seasons IMO or rightfully questions will need to be asked.

 

This isn't Howe out, it's Howe needs to deliver silverware, particularly if he's well backed in the next few windows.

Yeah, of course it’s possible, but that’s different to he should do it or it’s an expectation. 
 

If Man City don’t make a 1 in 100 howler yesterday they probably win the cup. That’s what I mean about how unlikely these things are. One slip or one goal can’t be how you judge a manager. 

 

 

Edited May 26 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah, of course it’s possible, but that’s different to he should do it or it’s an expectation. 

I have to say I'd hope a manager a lot of people like to claim is "elite" level win a potential league cup with 4-5 years of good financial backing, and hope that to be the case, like I've said I desperately want Howe to succeed here.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

I have to say I'd hope a manager a lot of people like to claim is "elite" level win a potential league cup with 4-5 years of good financial backing, and hope that to be the case, like I've said I desperately want Howe to succeed here.

I’d hope so too but let’s say 3 of those will be won by Man City or whoever is the best team at the time, then there’s not a lot left to fight for. 

 

 

Edited May 26 by AyeDubbleYoo

[et tu brute]

15 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I would say about 5-7 years.

 

Or when the manager has a squad that’s good enough to realistically win something. 

 

 

 

You're not going to have that squad if we have a similar season to this next year. Bruno/Isak/Gordon will probably be away for a start. Currently it's vital for Europa League at worst and obviously Champions League at best to progress the squad and revenue streams. Winning a trophy next year would be fantastic, but his job won't be measured on this target. However, failure to get Europa League as a minimum, will see him gone. That's being realistic as the owners have already stated about finishing regular in top 6 places within the league. 

 

 

Edited May 26 by et tu brute

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

You're not going to have that squad if we have a similar season to this next year. Bruno/Isak/Gordon will probably be away for a start. Currently it's vital for Europa League at worst and obviously Champions League at best to progress the squad and obviously revenue streams. Winning a trophy next year would obviously be fantastic, but his job won't be measured on this target. However, failure to get Europa League as a minimum, will see him gone. That's being realistic as the owners have already stated about finishing regular in top 6 places within the league. 

If we lose any of those key players then the expectation will need to be dialled down significantly. If you lose Isak you could spend £100m and make no progress at all. 
 

Probably similar with Gordon and Bruno. 
 

There are 8 clubs who should be finishing top 4 now. 

 

 

Edited May 26 by AyeDubbleYoo

[et tu brute]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

If we lose any of those key players then the expectation will need to be dialled down significantly. If you lose Isak you could spend £100m and make no progress at all. 

I agree and that's why next season is key to try and ensure we don't lose those players.

[madras]

9 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

We've just watched a team that finished below us in the league win the Fa Cup only yesterday, a team that's also been blighted by injuries.

 

Having said that I didn't really expect us to win anything by this point anyway, it just needs to go that way within the next couple of seasons IMO or rightfully questions will need to be asked.

 

This isn't Howe out, it's Howe needs to deliver silverware, particularly if he's well backed in the next few windows.

Because poor teams can win cups. Good teams win titles. 

 

Man Utd won the FA Cup yesterday, would you say they are going forwards or backwards as a club ?

[pubteam]

1 minute ago, madras said:

Because poor teams can win cups. Good teams win titles. 

 

Man Utd won the FA Cup yesterday, would you say they are going forwards or backwards as a club ?

They were also playing a team that didn't give a fuck and placed zero importance on winning it. I've never seen a team hold the FA cup final with such little regard.

[George Bailey]

8 minutes ago, madras said:

Because poor teams can win cups. Good teams win titles. 

 

Man Utd won the FA Cup yesterday, would you say they are going forwards or backwards as a club ?

I would say they are a club that wins things. Something we have consistently failed to do for decades.

For some reason clubs like Man Utd just seem to have a winning mentality in their dna. Built over years with different squads and different managers.

That puts them in a strong position to constantly revamp, invest and keep on winning things. So whether it’s unpalatable or not, for me they aren’t in decline but have had some dormant seasons - but dormant seasons in which they have lifted multiple trophies! 
Something we can still only dream of…sadly. 

 

Chelsea developed that winning knack for a period and of course so have Man City, we can but just need to flipping win anything to get us started. That’s why I am gutted at not getting European football next season- I think we would have had an excellent chance of winning that competition.

 

 

 

Edited May 26 by George Bailey

[Cronky]

16 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

 

This isn't Howe out, it's Howe needs to deliver silverware, particularly if he's well backed in the next few windows.

 

Winning silverware is very difficult now. Even the cups are being dominated by the big six. The two minor European trophies are probably the easiest, because the best teams aren't involved. 

 

I think Howe will continue to exceed all realistic expectations, but winning something will depend on good recruitment and that bit of luck. He shouldn't be measured on trophies alone.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Even the league cup has been won by Man City 6 out of the last 10 years. 

[Groundhog63]

1 hour ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

So if we are going into the season after next with 0 trophies, would you be happy with the club making the decision to bring in someone else? 

 

Personally even if we qualify for Europe again next season I'd still be looking for someone who can win us some actual silverware rather than giving him another 5 year contract.

 

We all love Howe and I recognise that he's a good coach but if it becomes evident he can't deliver the goods we need to leave the sentiment behind.

 

I desperately want him to succeed I just have my doubts, but he should be safe for the time being.

Absolutely dogshit

[Mills and Boon]

19 minutes ago, George Bailey said:

I would say they are a club that wins things. Something we have consistently failed to do for decades.

For some reason clubs like Man Utd just seem to have a winning mentality in their dna. Built over years with different squads and different managers.

That puts them in a strong position to constantly revamp, invest and keep on winning things. So whether it’s unpalatable or not, for me they aren’t in decline but have had some dormant seasons - but dormant seasons in which they have lifted multiple trophies! 
Something we can still only dream of…sadly. 

 

Chelsea developed that winning knack for a period and of course so have Man City, we can but just need to flipping win anything to get us started. That’s why I am gutted at not getting European football next season- I think we would have had an excellent chance of winning that competition.

 

 

 

 

 

The fuck? It's not a winning "knack" it's massive amounts of investment into the squad that other clubs can't compete with.

 

We're trying to catch up but FFP is a constant handbrake on us

 

 

Edited May 26 by Mills and Boon