Eddie Howe

[nufcjmc]

2 hours ago, loki679 said:

 

 

If this is a comment after the game while it's his job to handle the press i do feel for him. Right after a defeat and right when things arent going right. 

 

He's right in that buying ready made guaranteed to get you goals Premier league goals is hard to come by and those with known form are a fortune. Issue is something needs to be done especially if the table stabilises and we aren't there to grab the opportunity. 

 

I still feel a creative right winger helps so much if they too feel comfortable playing across the front three or up top it's another variable/switch that can be made tactically bot not essential. Wilson or isak middle, gordan stays where he's proved to be most effective all those moving about and combinations haven't worked outside of a single game. 

 

Our front 3 are just not working while the cheapest option is to back what we have to hit form and put it right it's unlikely to happen based on how far into the season we are now and no one has hit their peak and kept it.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by nufcjmc

[OverThere]

8 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

I wonder how he thinks a striker becomes a Premier League striker

Hmmm...

[Monters]

37 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Agreed.  But we have to actually use him. 

 

I said the same thing.  Liverpool have the most quality in depth attack in Europe.  City have 1 striker.  They had a good understudy who moved for more football. 
 

I would like us to use Osula more. I also don’t hate Gordon up top when he’s in form. 
 

this is one of the Eddie quirks I’m used too. 

I agree, I think, I always feel I'm too old to fully understand your posts 

I would love us to build a forward pool a la Liverpool's despite hating that club... It will be very difficult though.

To be honest I've never known Newcastle to have a squad full of options it's like it's alien to us... We have some cracking teams over the years but always had a big drop off when anyone was injured.  I do like some of the moves they have made to bolster the academy so praying they can come off!

[Holmesy]

21 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

If this is a comment after the game while it's his job to handle the press i do feel for him. Right after a defeat and right when things arent going right. 

 

He's right in that buying ready made guaranteed to get you goals Premier league goals is hard to come by and those with known form are a fortune. Issue is something needs to be done especially if the table stabilises and we aren't there to grab the opportunity. 

 

I still feel a creative right winger helps so much if they too feel comfortable playing across the front three or up top it's another variable/switch that can be made tactically bot not essential. Wilson or isak middle, gordan stays where he's proved to be most effective all those moving about and combinations haven't worked outside of a single game. 

 

Our front 3 are just not working while the cheapest option is to back what we have to hit form and put it right it's unlikely to happen based on how far into the season we are now and no one has hit their peak and kept it.

 

 

 

Isak wasn't a ready made guaranteed to get you goals. He was a very good striker but a calculated risk who came from another league, but I would say he's worked out ok.

Other teams seem to be able to identify talent from overseas and make them work as well. It's a fucking nonsense!

The PL is far more like other continental leagues now than it ever was and players are protected from the physicality that originally defined the PL - that was often the make or break. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Holmesy

[Ben]

Comments like that really make think "why bother" it's a closed shop, we are not playing with fair rules so what's the point

[Groundhog63]

6 minutes ago, Monters said:

I agree, I think, I always feel I'm too old to fully understand your posts 

I would love us to build a forward pool a la Liverpool's despite hating that club... It will be very difficult though.

To be honest I've never known Newcastle to have a squad full of options it's like it's alien to us... We have some cracking teams over the years but always had a big drop off when anyone was injured.  I do like some of the moves they have made to bolster the academy so praying they can come off!

 

Jota £45m

Nunez  £85m

Salah £42m (in 2017 btw ££££)

Gakpo £42m

Diaz £52m

Szob £70m

[andycap]

If he had used osula when Isak got injured I reckon we would've getting a shot on target 🎯 that's what strikers do eddie lad 😂 

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Myleftboot said:

Think it would be Pochettino or Nagelsmann with the links to Mitchell.

 

The timing wasn't right, but if Tuchel hadn't took the England job, I would have been quite excited to see him here. I just think his sort of personality  would fit here, and he's mentioned us before so he seemed to be open to it. But right now I think the job is Howe's to lose. We are still in touch with CL places if he can get some form going, so we won't be looking for a replacement unless things really do take a dive over what's left of the season.

[hakka]

46 minutes ago, Ben said:

Comments like that really make think "why bother" it's a closed shop, we are not playing with fair rules so what's the point

 

Probably just my current mood as I've had a terrible day, but admit the PL has become a bit pointless. Money was only thing that could transcend any side to winning things. Now that's been controlled so the ones with large revenues are pretty much insulated from others bring able to compete, the only fun is hoping you sign a great player before a cartel club does, sell on for profit to hope to repeat the process to at best get within touching distance of 3rd or a trophy. 

 

We used to want a team that tries, but now it has to be one that has to tries but with one arm tied behind its back while a bunch at the top have none tied at all. The disadvantage it's making it so soulless and pointless.

 

It just feels inevitable Bruno and Isak will ask to leave and it's a roll of the dice if that money gets anything as good, and if it does, it all feels like the same loop will occur.

 

What a load of fun I am today

[PauloGeordio]

2 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

Probably just my current mood as I've had a terrible day, but admit the PL has become a bit pointless. Money was only thing that could transcend any side to winning things. Now that's been controlled so the ones with large revenues are pretty much insulated from others bring able to compete, the only fun is hoping you sign a great player before a cartel club does, sell on for profit to hope to repeat the process to at best get within touching distance of 3rd or a trophy. 

 

We used to want a team that tries, but now it has to be one that has to tries but with one arm tied behind its back while a bunch at the top have none tied at all. The disadvantage it's making it so soulless and pointless.

 

It just feels inevitable Bruno and Isak will ask to leave and it's a roll of the dice if that money gets anything as good, and if it does, it all feels like the same loop will occur.

 

What a load of fun I am today

That’s exactly the loop they’ve created. New stadium announcement should liven things up 

[hakka]

1 minute ago, PauloGeordio said:

That’s exactly the loop they’ve created. New stadium announcement should liven things up 

 

Actually that definitely would - but even we are lucky to even be in that position because of our owners. Majority in the league don't have an owner ready to throw few billion at a new stadium just to get about 10% more close revenue wise to the cartel cunts.

[toon25]

2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Agreed.  But we have to actually use him. 

 

I said the same thing.  Liverpool have the most quality in depth attack in Europe.  City have 1 striker.  They had a good understudy who moved for more football. 
 

I would like us to use Osula more. I also don’t hate Gordon up top when he’s in form. 
 

this is one of the Eddie quirks I’m used too. 

 

Spot on, that

[Lotus]

Wrong thread.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Lotus

[TheBrownBottle]

6 hours ago, DiddyLevine said:

Some helpful advice

 

 

We do nowt with that line-up.  Barnes at 10?  He doesn’t have anything like the vision to play there.  His entire game is cutting in and shooting.   That midfield ends up 30 yards behind the three wingers playing behind the forward.  Looks like a mess to me. 

[Dr Venkman]

1 hour ago, TRon said:

Right now I think the job is Howe's to lose.

 

[DiddyLevine]

28 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

We do nowt with that line-up.  Barnes at 10?  He doesn’t have anything like the vision to play there.  His entire game is cutting in and shooting.   That midfield ends up 30 yards behind the three wingers playing behind the forward.  Looks like a mess to me. 

What about the formation ?

 

433 isnt football its athletics

We currently play 433 without the athletics ...

[TheBrownBottle]

24 minutes ago, DiddyLevine said:

What about the formation ?

 

433 isnt football its athletics

We currently play 433 without the athletics ...

4-3-3 could be argued to be the perfect formation - it is the total football formation, requiring skill, intelligence and yes, athleticism.  Michels and Cruyff favoured it with good reason.  We saw it work best when players could switch positions - which is why Burn at LB wasn’t at all the disaster that lots made out, and why Joelinton and Willock on the left switching out made it work.  It doesn’t work well with a player sat in a holding role and not moving forwards, with full back who won’t overlap, and with wingers and midfielders not moving to cover other positions.  That’s what we were doing well and it’s in part why we have seen such a drop-off - we’re not playing as you’re required to in that formation.  We lack guile and movement.
 

4-2–3-1 was always a blandly defensive formation, and no less reliant on athleticism.  It produces miserable football.  Hence our old mate the king used it during his time at SJP.  And it absolutely needs a ‘10’, which we don’t have. 

 

The problem we have is that we don’t have the personnel to play either particularly well.  
edit: and it’s also why our transfer policy deserves criticism and scrutiny.   The squad build hasn’t been great, and we have a ‘lop-sided’ squad not built for any particular form of football.  Which is why DoF exist and you don’t give a manager complete power at a football club.  Staveley and co overindulged Howe. 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by TheBrownBottle

[Nepharite]

On 30/11/2024 at 17:50, astraguy said:

This, The summer window was a car crash that wasn't down to him, Jan will be huge and i hope we move on a few players 

Isak could play as the withdrawn striker in a 4411 formation. Which isn’t too far away in philosophy from the 433 Eddie plays.

[Tiresias]

14 minutes ago, Nepharite said:

Isak could play as the withdrawn striker in a 4411 formation. Which isn’t too far away in philosophy from the 433 Eddie plays.

 

He isn't going to contribute too much to the midfield though so it is a loss of a midfielder. I can see it to play counter but trying to keep the ball at all will be easily outnumbered. 

[astraguy]

Didn't we switch to 442 alot last season when either isak or Wilson failed on Thier own or was that the season before? 

[Alberto2005]

11 minutes ago, astraguy said:

Didn't we switch to 442 alot last season when either isak or Wilson failed on Thier own or was that the season before? 

Season before.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Alberto2005

[Nepharite]

21 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

 

He isn't going to contribute too much to the midfield though so it is a loss of a midfielder. I can see it to play counter but trying to keep the ball at all will be easily outnumbered. 

I don’t want him to contribute in midfield. I want him to dribble and shoot.

[Monters]

2 hours ago, TRon said:

 

The timing wasn't right, but if Tuchel hadn't took the England job, I would have been quite excited to see him here. I just think his sort of personality  would fit here, and he's mentioned us before so he seemed to be open to it. But right now I think the job is Howe's to lose. We are still in touch with CL places if he can get some form going, so we won't be looking for a replacement unless things really do take a dive over what's left of the season.

Similar to Conte & Mourinho in that he falls out with every club fairly quickly but… if he won a trophy I’d forgive pretty much anything

[Monters]

3 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

Jota £45m

Nunez  £85m

Salah £42m (in 2017 btw ££££)

Gakpo £42m

Diaz £52m

Szob £70m

Yes they have spent loads, I’ve long argued that they spend heavily but it always gets overlooked especially during the Turkey Teeth love in. 

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, Monters said:

Yes they have spent loads, I’ve long argued that they spend heavily but it always gets overlooked especially during the Turkey Teeth love in. 

 

4 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

Jota £45m

Nunez  £85m

Salah £42m (in 2017 btw ££££)

Gakpo £42m

Diaz £52m

Szob £70m

 

Their net spent over the last 5 years is lower than ours, when we're talking about transfer fees. The thing is they have sold players for a good fee aswell (Mane and Fabinho for instance). Going back further, to 2017 when they bought Salah, they also sold Coutinho for 135 mill euros. They paid less for van Dijk and Salah combined in that very same window.

 

 

Edited 25 minutes ago by Erikse