Eddie Howe

[Monters]

1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:

You are indeed mistaken.

Are you not criticising Eddie? 
 

Apologies I am confused

[Matt1892]

9 minutes ago, Monters said:

Are you not criticising Eddie? 
 

Apologies I am confused

What I have said is that while we can use PSR as a reason for not being able to compete with Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City, we cannot use it as a reason for not being able to compete with Forest, Bournemouth empty and Brighton.

 

We have every financial advantage over them in terms of financial income, wages and amount spent on transfers, so if we do fail to qualify for the Champions League and one of those teams get the place ahead of us, then it is a failing on our part that we haven’t taken advantage of Man Utd and Spurs imploding.

[Dr Venkman]

5 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

What I have said is that while we can use PSR as a reason for not being able to compete with Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City, we cannot use it as a reason for not being able to compete with Forest, Bournemouth empty and Brighton.

 

We have every financial advantage over them in terms of financial income, wages and amount spent on transfers, so if we do fail to qualify for the Champions League and one of those teams get the place ahead of us, then it is a failing on our part that we haven’t taken advantage of Man Utd and Spurs imploding.

 
So?

[Chicken Dancer]

I'm definitely of the opinion that if we can't get Champions League this season without the distraction of European football + Man Utd/Spurs being shite + 5th likely being enough, it's been a failure. Especially if Forest or Bournemouth (or both) finish above us. 

 

Nothing against them - they've both been absolutely mint so far - but we definitely shouldn't be finishing below either of them at present. Especially given most of our 'stars' have avoided long periods out with injury. 

 

My main worry is that despite being class for about 6 weeks over the festive period, something has been off all year. From the first minute against Southampton back in August something just seems missing. Recently, we've seemingly reverted to type and it looks very much as stale as it did in the early part of the season.

 

If we lose the final, I'm hoping that it works similar to 22/23 when we started to pick back up again and had that fantastic spring when we were blowing teams away on a weekly basis. Sadly, this current team looks and plays nowt like that team.

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Chicken Dancer

[Displayname]

Our squad couldnt have been that fucking shit when Steve Bruce managed to keep us in the Premier league like.

To me atleast its obvious than a couple of managers have gotten more out of their squad than Eddie this season, but its also a little unfair to just compare him to managers that has overachieved. Cant expect him to deserve manager of the year every season.

 

For me we are around where we could expect to end up if we are looking at average points pr game.

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Displayname

[KennyUtd]

1 hour ago, Lush Vlad said:

Well this thread is absolute AIDS.  

 

Shall we start a combined XI thread for every team. 

"absolute AIDS"???

Where did that saying come from?

[thomas]

[prays silently before before a candle-laden closet altar with a picture of Emery atop it] what could have been

[Monters]

43 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

What I have said is that while we can use PSR as a reason for not being able to compete with Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City, we cannot use it as a reason for not being able to compete with Forest, Bournemouth empty and Brighton.

 

We have every financial advantage over them in terms of financial income, wages and amount spent on transfers, so if we do fail to qualify for the Champions League and one of those teams get the place ahead of us, then it is a failing on our part that we haven’t taken advantage of Man Utd and Spurs imploding.

Fair enough but those teams Forest in particular are having stella seasons similar to Leicester winning the league, financial advantage is longer term \ ongoing league position I would argue.

Brighton have spent a fair old whack this season too far more than us and probs more than most... I appreciate they sold well too which funded it but the fact remains they spent circa £250 million 

Personally I think top five is over achievement for this squad as opposed to failure if we don't get there and don't really give a toss what has happened to Man U or Spurs or any other club to be honest.

I will get heartly sick of the press ramming Forest and \ or any other supposed small club reaching the champions league down our throat though same as Villa last year  

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, Matt1892 said:

 

It isn’t a shit metric, it shows the resources that we have had compared to those other clubs along with wages and squad cost, which we blow all of those clubs out of the water with too.

 

 

Wages and squad cost paint a full picture of resources spent.  Mbappe has a net spend of 0 to Real Madrid. Does that demonstrate the resources Real have spent in him? No. His Astronomical wages do. 
 

Bournemouth’s net spend six’s promotion is much.  Probably close to Real Madrid.  At worst half the cost. But the wages will be 4x minimum. 

[huss9]

1 hour ago, Matt1892 said:

Lower than Forest and Bournemouth who were Championship clubs?

 

Worth remembering that Bournemouth started with the player Howe got them relegated with.

 

 

 

they had to sell purples - not just squad players.

 

[Kid Icarus]

Brighton and Forest aren't suddenly better than us because of the current positions in the league like. It seems like that's the premise this is all based on. 

[Bellis80]

No but Brighton are better than us because they batter us regularly.

[Interpolic]

@Matt1892 is desperate to find some metric to use to claim Howe has underachieved so he should be sacked, this was him this time last year:

 

On 11/03/2024 at 22:18, Matt1892 said:

The club should be speaking with agents to see if a suitable replacement is interested in joining, if the right person can be found then bring them in as soon as possible.

 

I like Howe as a person but he doesn’t have the ability to turn this season around.

 

[Kid Icarus]

8 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

No but Brighton are better than us because they batter us regularly.

 

I've seen them batter us twice since Howe came in, we've also beaten them twice and drawn three times. Even then, Spurs batter Man City regularly and that sort of thing happens more often than you'd think. Brighton aren't better than us, look at the league positions. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Kid Icarus

[Dr Venkman]

20 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Brighton and Forest aren't suddenly better than us because of the current positions in the league like. It seems like that's the premise this is all based on. 

As @Interpolicsays, @Matt1892 just wants Howe sacked, and has done for a long time. He’s always chirping when he thinks he’ll get some traction.

[Dr Jinx]

Zero lessons learned from the post reaching the final form 2 years back. Every time it looks like we’ve turned a corner, we turn shit again.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

1 hour ago, Monters said:

Personally I think top five is over achievement for this squad as opposed to failure if we don't get there and don't really give a toss what has happened to Man U or Spurs or any other club to be honest.
 

 

I think that's a nuts statement.

 

If you start the season thinking City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Spurs, Chelsea are better teams/squads than us, putting 7th as out likely position and 2 of those 6 absolutely shit the bed in the season to be 14th/15th then 5th isn't an overachievement in the current season. The only other club you could put in there is Villa and they are having the season you would expect with the Champions League

 

Finishing below Forest/Bournemouth or Brighton to miss out on CL would be an underachieving season, finishing 7th behind the 6 mentioned wouldn't

[HaydnNUFC]

2 hours ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I'm definitely of the opinion that if we can't get Champions League this season without the distraction of European football + Man Utd/Spurs being shite + 5th likely being enough, it's been a failure. Especially if Forest or Bournemouth (or both) finish above us. 

 

Nothing against them - they've both been absolutely mint so far - but we definitely shouldn't be finishing below either of them at present. Especially given most of our 'stars' have avoided long periods out with injury. 

 

My main worry is that despite being class for about 6 weeks over the festive period, something has been off all year. From the first minute against Southampton back in August something just seems missing. Recently, we've seemingly reverted to type and it looks very much as stale as it did in the early part of the season.

 

If we lose the final, I'm hoping that it works similar to 22/23 when we started to pick back up again and had that fantastic spring when we were blowing teams away on a weekly basis. Sadly, this current team looks and plays nowt like that team.

 

 

 

Fully agree with every word.
 

Like I said yesterday, I don’t enjoy watching us at all these days and that is the biggest indictment of all given I was excited like a frothing lunatic on matchdays from post-January 2022 up to this season. Even though we were shite away from home last season I still looked forward to every home game. This season like you say, something’s just off. The biggest contributor being inability to sign players but tactically, performance-wise, atmosphere-wise, almost everything about this season has been flat as fuck outside of that 9 game run or whatever it was.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by HaydnNUFC

[The Prophet]

12 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

Zero lessons learned from the post reaching the final form 2 years back. Every time it looks like we’ve turned a corner, we turn shit again.

 

I think the approach has been a lot more low key and "business like" this time. Unless we rest the entire first team for a month beforehand, injuries and suspension are par for the course.

[Jackie Broon]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I think the approach has been a lot more low key and "business like" this time. Unless we rest the entire first team for a month beforehand, injuries and suspension are par for the course.

 

I think it's more that our form has dropped off a cliff since we made the final, just like it did last time, and in the post match interviews after the second semi Burn and Tripper pretty much confirmed that was down to the players being distracted by approaching final and everything around it.

[Kid Icarus]

12 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Fully agree with every word.
 

Like I said yesterday, I don’t enjoy watching us at all these days and that is the biggest indictment of all given I was excited like a frothing lunatic on matchdays from post-January 2022 up to this season. Even though we were shite away from home last season I still looked forward to every home game. This season like you say, something’s just off. The biggest contributor being inability to sign players but tactically, performance-wise, atmosphere-wise, almost everything about this season has been flat as fuck outside of that 9 game run or whatever it was.

 

 

 

 

This is it for me mind, the lack of signings and especially the whole Guehi debacle put us on the back foot from the off because the vibes were fucked and haven't really recovered. 

[LiquidAK]

35 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

As @Interpolicsays, @Matt1892 just wants Howe sacked, and has done for a long time. He’s always chirping when he thinks he’ll get some traction.

 

2 hours ago, Matt1892 said:

Worth remembering that Bournemouth started with the player Howe got them relegated with.

 

This said it all really. What a transparently miserable way of framing Howe's achievements at Bournemouth

[The Prophet]

2 hours ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I'm definitely of the opinion that if we can't get Champions League this season without the distraction of European football + Man Utd/Spurs being shite + 5th likely being enough, it's been a failure. Especially if Forest or Bournemouth (or both) finish above us. 

 

Nothing against them - they've both been absolutely mint so far - but we definitely shouldn't be finishing below either of them at present. Especially given most of our 'stars' have avoided long periods out with injury. 

 

My main worry is that despite being class for about 6 weeks over the festive period, something has been off all year. From the first minute against Southampton back in August something just seems missing. Recently, we've seemingly reverted to type and it looks very much as stale as it did in the early part of the season.

 

If we lose the final, I'm hoping that it works similar to 22/23 when we started to pick back up again and had that fantastic spring when we were blowing teams away on a weekly basis. Sadly, this current team looks and plays nowt like that team.

 

 

 

 

That's very outcome driven thinking.

 

What if we win the cup and don't finish top five? What if Isak picks up a season ending injury and we finish sixth? What if Forest go on title winning form from now until the end of the season?

 

Not having a go or out, but just seems a bit futile trying to slap neat labels on stuff when so much could happen from now until the end of the season.

 

I also wince a little bit when I see stuff along the lines of "it's a failure to finish below Forest or Bournemouth". I think the average for 5th is around 66 points. If Forest or Bournemouth manage 66+ points fair play to them, it would be an enormous achievement. Our only concern should be why didn't we and how can we fix it next season? 

[The Prophet]

11 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

I think it's more that our form has dropped off a cliff since we made the final, just like it did last time, and in the post match interviews after the second semi Burn and Tripper pretty much confirmed that was down to the players being distracted by approaching final and everything around it.

 

I thought our form was on the dip well before the final. It started to creep in second half v Wolves.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

People chat every season about “X club is underperforming, that means Y club should definitely do it”. It makes very little sense.

 

I can’t be bothered to do the research but I’d guess the amount of points you need to come 5th is relatively consistent every season. 
 

You could argue that teams like Forest and Bournemouth being good makes it even harder for us, we’re less likely to beat them twice a season to collect the 12 points. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by AyeDubbleYoo