huss9 Posted July 20, 2025 Share Posted July 20, 2025 there's not much quality left out there in terms of forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 20, 2025 Share Posted July 20, 2025 1 minute ago, huss9 said: there's not much quality left out there in terms of forwards. There's tons to be fair. It is what fits into our budget and a player Howe won't put on the bench for a year that narrows it down lol. So, fair, point taken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 20, 2025 Share Posted July 20, 2025 4 minutes ago, huss9 said: there's not much quality left out there in terms of forwards. I don't agree, there's absolutely loads of them who'd improve us. We're looking to improve on Callum Wilson as second choice, who in his final dozen appearances looked like he was running with a pair of doc martins on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted July 20, 2025 Share Posted July 20, 2025 3 minutes ago, toontownman said: There's tons to be fair. It is what fits into our budget and a player Howe won't put on the bench for a year that narrows it down lol. So, fair, point taken. who do reckon outside of the prem, other than the ones already on the move? i'm not really up to speed with european club football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted July 20, 2025 Share Posted July 20, 2025 There are plenty of great talents out there if scouted properly. Every Isak, Salah,Haaland etc didn't start out at the top. As many have said many times, we are trying to dine at the elite table but we aren't there yet, clearly, because we have too many restrictions holding us back. Wage limits, PSR rules etc. We need to find a compromise and target the less proven/established. Buying players before their break out seasons not after, like we used to. I don't see the need to scrap doing what got us to where we are. We have an Elite coach who is proven to get the best out of players and improve them. We have star like Isak, Tonali, Bruno. You drop a few players with strong potential into that group and you watch how they can rise above their previous levels. Just look at what it's done for Jacob Murphy for goodness sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilovetoon8788 Posted July 20, 2025 Share Posted July 20, 2025 1 hour ago, LaurentRobert said: Bloody frustrating that we're a champions league outfit yet we appear unable to get players through the door I think partly due to the uncertainty in the backroom on the Dof. Our dof left and they are now finding for one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 20, 2025 Share Posted July 20, 2025 17 minutes ago, huss9 said: who do reckon outside of the prem, other than the ones already on the move? i'm not really up to speed with european club football. Im pretty similar to you. Half the names pop up like Guessard today, I didn't know anything about. I trust whomever we bring in will work under Howe. Frustrating we have to go down the list so far, as that likely comes with more risk/work to do to. There are options though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 This may seem a reactionary thing to say and in a couple of weeks may looks stupid BUT, if we end the transfer window in the position we are currently in right now, I hope Howe decides to walk away. I cant see anything else genuinely shocking the club into action/change other than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 1 minute ago, Mazzy said: This may seem a reactionary thing to say and in a couple of weeks may looks stupid BUT, if we end the transfer window in the position we are currently in right now, I hope Howe decides to walk away. I cant see anything else genuinely shocking the club into action/change other than that. FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Cardigan Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 Just now, Mazzy said: This may seem a reactionary thing to say and in a couple of weeks may looks stupid BUT, if we end the transfer window in the position we are currently in right now, I hope Howe decides to walk away. I cant see anything else genuinely shocking the club into action/change other than that. I’d rather he stuck around no matter what, but I get the frustration. In a world where almost all roads to improvement are blocked, Howe is our bridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 bed wetting in the extreme Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 Howes in charge of transfers nowadays so maybe his targets are the problem. Too ambitious too soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 6 minutes ago, Mazzy said: This may seem a reactionary thing to say and in a couple of weeks may looks stupid BUT, if we end the transfer window in the position we are currently in right now, I hope Howe decides to walk away. I cant see anything else genuinely shocking the club into action/change other than that. I’d hold Howe partially accountable rather than blameless - he’s chased two DoFs and is one of the three member transfer committee; the others being his nephew and his chief scout. I don’t see how he’d have zero accountability - they’re his targets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 4 minutes ago, andycap said: Howes in charge of transfers nowadays so maybe his targets are the problem. Too ambitious too soon. If this is true then you'd expect he will adapt very quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 That's why the benefit of a director of football is needed for alternatives that may not have reached there full potential yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 12 minutes ago, Mazzy said: This may seem a reactionary thing to say and in a couple of weeks may looks stupid BUT, if we end the transfer window in the position we are currently in right now, I hope Howe decides to walk away. I cant see anything else genuinely shocking the club into action/change other than that. The club has obviously given the management some room to spend money given our bids on different players, dont really see why the owners are at fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 15 minutes ago, Mazzy said: This may seem a reactionary thing to say and in a couple of weeks may looks stupid BUT, if we end the transfer window in the position we are currently in right now, I hope Howe decides to walk away. I cant see anything else genuinely shocking the club into action/change other than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondedcrown Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 47 minutes ago, Mazzy said: This may seem a reactionary thing to say and in a couple of weeks may looks stupid BUT, if we end the transfer window in the position we are currently in right now, I hope Howe decides to walk away. I cant see anything else genuinely shocking the club into action/change other than that. Where to start? No this will do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 49 minutes ago, Mazzy said: This may seem a reactionary thing to say and in a couple of weeks may looks stupid BUT, if we end the transfer window in the position we are currently in right now, I hope Howe decides to walk away. I cant see anything else genuinely shocking the club into action/change other than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 41 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I’d hold Howe partially accountable rather than blameless - he’s chased two DoFs and is one of the three member transfer committee; the others being his nephew and his chief scout. I don’t see how he’d have zero accountability - they’re his targets Agree. He's a fantastic manager but he seems to be doing every other job in the hierarchy as well. It's partly by design, the likes of Andy Howe are here because he trusts them, so he has to have some accountability. Eales tried to do things according to his own principles, and rightly or wrongly got shot down. As they say, with great power comes responsibility, this is something Howe has gladly accepted for most of his time here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robster Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 Just now, Big River said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pilko Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: If this is true then you'd expect he will adapt very quickly. Not on current evidence, we've had best part of two summer transfer windows following the same pattern of going for top drawer only and being rebuffed. It's the right thing to do and admirable to be so staunch towards improving the ceiling of the squad, the downside is (seemingly) the stubbornness to do nothing if we can't get those top targets when the "floor" of the squad improving would still be a good step forwards ahead of a campaign featuring lots of extra games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 22, 2025 Share Posted July 22, 2025 Tbf, Howe himself is probably considered an elite manager. Just like Isak he could probably land a job at one of the super clubs if he decided he wanted to move to the next level. He must get a bit frustrated seeing cartel clubs taking all his transfer targets. Imagine what he could do with their squads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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