Robster Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Has Downie mis typed this as I don't understand it ? The last sentence doesn't make sense to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, Robster said: Has Downie mis typed this as I don't understand it ? The last sentence doesn't make sense to me Yes mis typed Howe just said if it was an onslaught he would be honest about it and say it, but he doesn't think it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 34 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said: Yes mis typed Howe just said if it was an onslaught he would be honest about it and say it, but he doesn't think it was. Ah yes. Now you say that, I can read it in the tone and context it was meant. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 The question was more around onslaught from fans I think as opposed from Burnley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) Where did Ryder get his "onslaught" is what the fans think? Wasn't off Twitter by any chance Lee was it? The absolute arse end of Newcastle United supporters on there. Top class journalism as always Lee, gauging opinion from fucking twitter. Why not do some proper journalism and ask some of the fans coming out of turf Moor after the match? Edited January 2 by Scoot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, Scoot said: Where did Ryder get his "onslaught" is what the fans think? Wasn't off Twitter by any chance Lee was it? The absolute arse end of Newcastle United supporters on there. Top class journalism as always Lee, gauging opinion from fucking twitter. Why not do some proper journalism and ask some of the fans coming out of turf Moor after the match? Waste of fucking skin that man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Football journalism is over if Twitter can’t be used as the main source. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I always assumed Ryder got his job at the Chronicle through some connections back when it was still something of a closed shop. I literally can't remember a worthwhile article he's ever written. Luke Edwards has taken plenty of flak but at least he can write when he's not sniping back at people having a go at him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 3 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: "Plan B? You have to perfect your ideas". "I always believe when it doesn't work well, it is because you have to perfect your idea". "I don't have to change anything. I'm more convinced that what we have done in the past we can still do. It's just that we need to apply ourselves better" “This season we've lost games not because we didn’t have a ‘Plan B’ but it was about having difficulties in different games. If somebody speaks to me about ‘Plan A’ or ‘Plan B’ I don’t really understand, as it's never the case.” Yeah, this plan B thing is probably a bit overblown. The problem is, sometimes the execution has been so bad that you've wondered what the plan A even was in the first place. Joelinton and Wissa coming back could change that quite quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 3 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: "Plan B? You have to perfect your ideas". "I always believe when it doesn't work well, it is because you have to perfect your idea". "I don't have to change anything. I'm more convinced that what we have done in the past we can still do. It's just that we need to apply ourselves better" “This season we've lost games not because we didn’t have a ‘Plan B’ but it was about having difficulties in different games. If somebody speaks to me about ‘Plan A’ or ‘Plan B’ I don’t really understand, as it's never the case.” This echoes what you can see if you've been trying to analyse Howe's approach over the last 4 years. Doesn't matter really who said it. You can see it. 3 hours ago, The Prophet said: From today: “We have lots of ways of playing, but within the structure and the principles of what we believe in. I see countless managers asked about Plan Bs, but you have to be careful. We have a very strong plan for every situation, we just need to deliver it better.” Yep the issue is that this team needs to do it with Joelinton, Burn & Pope. We are too weak, lack composure without them or better yet their replacements are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I will say - when we were linekd with JP & Etikite (and even Woltmade) I did think there was a plan to play 2 up top as an option. Or with 1 of them as a 10 as they have all either done that or have th skillset to do so. Evolve us into more of a possession side. But so far it looks like Howe just wanted an option of someone that would drop off a bit more in largely what is the same role in the team. And he was just going to rotate them. That doesn't seem like the smartest allocation of funds. I thought the team needed to think beyond Joelinton and it seems that think beyond Joelinton is Jacob Ramsey and not a 1-1 up top. i doubt Ramsey has enough about his game off the ball to pull that off. Ramsey is old Willock at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 hours ago, duo said: The question was more around onslaught from fans I think as opposed from Burnley I've just watched the clip and in my opinion, it was definitely an onslaught from Burnley that Ryder was suggesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I get what he says about plan b and that have many plans and all in the execution and not wanting players to think there's a way out and for them to improve and think that's him thinking the long game rather than like fans short term wins, however when it's clearly not working game after game then changing / tweaking to get the results earlier has to happen. I also don't think it was a onslaught, but was significant pressure and that game could have gone anyway by end, we should have more control about us and struggle to regain momentum/control when lose it and almost panic every situation so would question if the plan a includes how we wrestle back control as looks a bit haphazard. That's an observation from watching all the games and I hope Howe gets that run of form and consistency and transitions the team onto something else, I think it's fair to raise concerns as we are half a season in and look a shadow of the team that finished 4th a few seasons back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Aye, change the word "onslaught" to "sustained pressure from the home team chasing as equaliser" and it's not too far from the truth. Howe's reply reads as a bit prickly mind. He's not exactly throwing the players under the bus but it could, and will, be interpreted by some as Howe blaming the players for not executing plan A better rather than looking to mix things up a little? Maybe? Who knows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Hes using the wrong word, but its a fair question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 3 hours ago, duo said: The question was more around onslaught from fans I think as opposed from Burnley It wasn’t, he said the onslaught for an hour and Howe was quite rightly annoyed at the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 8 minutes ago, midds said: Aye, change the word "onslaught" to "sustained pressure from the home team chasing as equaliser" and it's not too far from the truth. Howe's reply reads as a bit prickly mind. He's not exactly throwing the players under the bus but it could, and will, be interpreted by some as Howe blaming the players for not executing plan A better rather than looking to mix things up a little? Maybe? Who knows I think, looking back at his club interview after the game, he feels like the team is low on confidence, and he’s trying to reduce the amount of negativity surrounding them. Difficult to do when you are losing, but you’ve got a bit more of a license when you win. I think it’s probably fair enough to rail back against the language that Ryder used (probably unintentionally in fairness, he just isn’t particularly eloquent) to try and make sure that Burnley game doesn’t end up being framed as ‘lucky’, when on the whole it was an even game with good periods for both sides, that we’ve done enough to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 20 minutes ago, midds said: Aye, change the word "onslaught" to "sustained pressure from the home team chasing as equaliser" and it's not too far from the truth. Howe's reply reads as a bit prickly mind. He's not exactly throwing the players under the bus but it could, and will, be interpreted by some as Howe blaming the players for not executing plan A better rather than looking to mix things up a little? Maybe? Who knows I don’t think there’s anything prickly about it if you watch it, he doesn’t agree with the point made by Ryder and that’s fair. His ‘plan B’ answer is very (very) similar to Klopp’s a few years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 There's two ways of looking at the Burnley game - you could either say we did really well to ride out the period of pressure we were under and defended well enough to see it through, or that against most other teams in the division we go to 2-2 because of the decent chances we allowed and that our record from that point of already dropping a two-goal lead isn't clever. I think you have to give Howe a break on this occasion. I've been super critical and irritated at us pissing away leading positions this season and regardless of how close we came, we didn't do it and got the win this time. You just have to hope we use that as a mental platform to remind the players that despite inevitably coming under pressure at times we can ride it out, hold a lead and even score again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Pundit Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 What's this malarky about Chelsea sounding Howe out as their next boss? I truly hope it's guff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Just now, Armchair Pundit said: What's this malarky about Chelsea sounding Howe out as their next boss? I truly hope it's guff. He’d tell them to fuck themselves into the sun. Couldn’t be a club worse suited to Howe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 12 minutes ago, lovejoy said: I don’t think there’s anything prickly about it if you watch it, he doesn’t agree with the point made by Ryder and that’s fair. His ‘plan B’ answer is very (very) similar to Klopp’s a few years ago. Aye, I had to be careful how I phrased it because I've not watched the reply I've just read it and I'll happily accept your view of it - although I do think Klopp is an utter arsehole so his answer doesn't necessarily help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) Craig Hope described it best ‘a lack of control’. The midfield couldn’t keep the ball for a sustained period and they were all over us. It was a fair question by Ryder and definitely semantics in getting hung up on the word ‘onslaught’. The question is whether it’s tactical or the quality of our midfielders. There’s a tendency for our midfielders to force a pass and give the ball away cheaply, in certain areas you need to brave with the ball to breakdown the opposition, however at times an extra couple of passes build the play and create new opportunities. The balance of our midfield has never looked right for me with Bruno, Tonali and Joelinton unless where hustling at 100mph in a big game where they’re all bang up for it. Edited January 2 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 23 minutes ago, SteV said: I think, looking back at his club interview after the game, he feels like the team is low on confidence, and he’s trying to reduce the amount of negativity surrounding them. Difficult to do when you are losing, but you’ve got a bit more of a license when you win. I think it’s probably fair enough to rail back against the language that Ryder used (probably unintentionally in fairness, he just isn’t particularly eloquent) to try and make sure that Burnley game doesn’t end up being framed as ‘lucky’, when on the whole it was an even game with good periods for both sides, that we’ve done enough to win. Yeah 'onslaught' was a bit ott but I'm assuming Howe knows Ryder well enough to know he's got the IQ of a fucking spoon and had to lay it out for him to understand We were far better than Burnley but we did have to ride out a spell of pressure as they went for the point. They're at home and it's entirely predictable they threw bodies forward looking for a point, they just weren't good enough to get the goal and we wrapped it up late on, no dramas. It was a welcome, but unconvincing, win against a poor side who'll go down in May Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 6 hours ago, gdm said: Then he really should have thought about saying that - he only has days to prepare one or two questions, you’d think that the thick cunt might think about it. Tbf, he’s only a journalist - who’d expect a journalist to have an understanding of language or the time when events occur? The Ronnie Gill’s professional window-licker has been pushed to the front by the cowards who sit next to him in the pressers is my thinking. There are serious questions hanging over some of the current issues at the club, and the moron-in-residence gets to make it all look silly by going on about a non-existent hour-long onslaught. Edited January 2 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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