Eddie Howe

[Whitley mag]

3 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

Hell of a pitch that, mind. Remind me who Thiaw snubbed in favour of whom last summer...

I think PL wages might have something to do with that.

[Whitley mag]

4 hours ago, The Prophet said:

 

I've not watched much Serie A this season, but presumably Fabregas doesn't have too much experience of managing a two game a week schedule?

I’m approaching the stage I’m willing to find out. He needs a strong end to the season and some evidence things are moving in the right direction.

[St1pe]

6 hours ago, Heron said:

Depends who you ply with enough drink

 

Perhaps a bit sad/yawn for some but my family motto is actually "Nil Desperandum" or as a modern take you can use the words of Sam Fender "I must repel the dying light" and I use this wherever I feel I need to. Maybe that's just my coping method, but in tough times it helps drag me through.

 

My feeling is that being positive in times of negativity gives people the leadership or direction to get out of it - otherwise we'd all spiral downwards. Appreciate sometimes it's delusional.

 

Anyways...now I'm just talking philosophical shite. but with the likes of Howe and the lads - I am fairly convinced if we shake some of this over saturation and football fatigue off and get right behind them, we can cause a few upsets and climb the table.

 

 

 

[Heron]

6 hours ago, Magpie Mover said:

He was given 250m of backing and we are a worse team for it. Defensively we were a shambles today.

Woltemade and Wissa were choices of necessity rather than desire in the end and we lost our superstar striker for £130m or whatever it was. Neither Woltemade or Wissa were brought in during the summer but after the season started and one was injured for months. Hence why Howe deserves time.

[The College Dropout]

There’s not a single PL club where the manager is so involved in player recruitment as Howe.  I’m never using that as a reason to knock him. Even if I think the transfers were underwhelming.  

[Groundhog63]

11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

There’s not a single PL club where the manager is so involved in player recruitment as Howe.  I’m never using that as a reason to knock him. Even if I think the transfers were underwhelming.  

TCD knows the intimate workings of every Premier League club, obvs 😉

 

 

 

Notwithstanding Newcastle haven't had a steady reliable senior management team since the takeover. No wonder Howe has a bit of input 😂😂😂

[LTA]

2 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

Notwithstanding Newcastle haven't had a steady reliable senior management team since the takeover. No wonder Howe has a bit of input 😂😂😂

it would probably help if Eddie didn’t keep fighting them all 

[bobbydazzla]

7 hours ago, Interpolic said:

 

It is. If the entire league is struggling to put in aesthetically pleasing and dominant performances consistently then there must be reasons for that. There have been discussions on here about potential reasons such as the increasing reliance on physicality, set pieces, low blocks etc, plus the narrowing of the field from top to bottom. 

 

Our PL results have overall been disappointing, particularly away, and we're 2 or 3 wins short of where I was hoping we'd be. But in terms of performances, why is squeaking past Wolves good enough for Arsenal and Villa but not good enough for us? Most teams are labouring to most of their wins this season, there aren't many dominant performances anymore. That's why the league-wide trend is important context. 

If you’re not concerned with how we’re playing, because the entire league is inconsistent, then that’s your prerogative. You’ve got your opinion, I’ve got mine. 

 

I see a team that isn’t demonstrating a desire to win at all costs and is appalling at game management.

 

A team that’s consistently poor tactically, concedes way too many goals, misses way too many chances, has a midfield that is often non existent, looks tactically confused and regularly turns winning positions into losing or drawing ones.

 

We know this team can be a hell of a lot better than this, in their tactics, performance, their attitude. We know the manager can be a hell of a lot better than this. Our desire to try and win at all costs from 21-23 has totally vanished.

 

If Eddie is still here next season and we’re back to our best in the league with no European football. Then that’ll be the clearest sign to me that he’s an excellent domestic manager and it was simply the demands of Europe that stifled his ability to get this team playing the way we know they can this season. 
 

And if that’s the case the club probably need to make a call on whether to give him a 3rd crack at Europe (hopefully with a bigger squad and more quality) and see if he’s learnt from his 1st and 2nd experience, or risk another season of mediocrity on the pitch in 2 years time.

 

 

Edited February 5 by bobbydazzla

[Keegans Export]

9 hours ago, Heron said:

Speaks volumes of his professionalism and expectations. Remain keen to hear the alternatives from folk...

There are lots of very good reasons to stick with Eddie, but this isn't one of them. 

 

I strongly believe we have to look at a different market for players but because I don't really have a clue who those players are, does that mean I'm wrong? We have a team full of experts who's job it is to find those players so the fact that some mug like me can't draw up a shortlist doesn't mean we therefore have to keep doing what we did last summer. 

 

Sorry to call you out here, I see a lot of people drop that line and it does annoy me a bit because it takes away from a lot of very credible, valid reasons why he should stay. 

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

There are lots of very good reasons to stick with Eddie, but this isn't one of them. 

 

I strongly believe we have to look at a different market for players but because I don't really have a clue who those players are, does that mean I'm wrong? We have a team full of experts who's job it is to find those players so the fact that some mug like me can't draw up a shortlist doesn't mean we therefore have to keep doing what we did last summer. 

 

Sorry to call you out here, I see a lot of people drop that line and it does annoy me a bit because it takes away from a lot of very credible, valid reasons why he should stay. 

I think it’s a fair question to ask tbh, more so because I don’t trust the people running the club to either pick the outstanding candidate or do it in a timely professional manner.

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I think it’s a fair question to ask tbh, more so because I don’t trust the people running the club to either pick the outstanding candidate or do it in a timely professional manner.

By person you mean Ross Wilson? It would be his job to pick the next manager or at least gather a shortlist. 

 

If your referring to ownership then they picked Emery and Howe so have a good track record TBF  

[Menace]

I often do wonder how a foreign manager would do with this team. Someone like Inzaghi would be interesting especially with his 3-5-2 formation, already works for a PIF team too.

[Geogaddi]

It does look a complete mess at the minute but for me he has basically earned a free pass this season after what he has achieved the last few years. Give him the summer to sort it out which I think he will and we will be a different beast again next season, he has earned that.

[SUPERTOON]

13 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

By person you mean Ross Wilson? It would be his job to pick the next manager or at least gather a shortlist. 

 

If your referring to ownership then they picked Emery and Howe so have a good track record TBF  

Yeah Wilson, time will tell, but he doesn’t exactly scream best in class with his previous clubs.

[r0cafella]

1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said:

Yeah Wilson, time will tell, but he doesn’t exactly scream best in class with his previous clubs.

He isn't. And I understand your concerns I also feel the same way in terms of that appointment. I don't understand why we would ever appointment him but at the same time I do. life as a NUFC fan eh. 

 

 

Edited February 5 by r0cafella

[Earp]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

There’s not a single PL club where the manager is so involved in player recruitment as Howe.  I’m never using that as a reason to knock him. Even if I think the transfers were underwhelming.  

I don’t think people thought that the transfers were underwhelming at the time. Despite losing out on our number 1 targets fans were genuinely pleased with the transfer business at the time. Unfortunately it hasn’t worked out as hoped, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. 

[La Parka]

17 minutes ago, Menace said:

I often do wonder how a foreign manager would do with this team. Someone like Inzaghi would be interesting especially with his 3-5-2 formation, already works for a PIF team too.

[TRon]

9 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Yeah Wilson, time will tell, but he doesn’t exactly scream best in class with his previous clubs.

 

 

My worry is that we appointed him because he came with the approval of Howe. It coincided with the same time we got rid of Mitchell so kind of aligns with what went on last summer.

 

I've changed my vote to Unhappy but willing to give him more Time in the vote options. 

[RS]

The financial restrictions invented to stop us growing when we were taken over are really biting when we have a ‘Champions League’ season. A pretty sound core of a first team is woefully exposed when the season progresses and injuries hit. 
We just have to accept the corruption and work with it. 
We’ll upset Masters again next season when we’re only in domestic competition. 

[Interpolic]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

If you’re not concerned with how we’re playing, because the entire league is inconsistent, then that’s your prerogative. You’ve got your opinion, I’ve got mine. 

 

I see a team that isn’t demonstrating a desire to win at all costs and is appalling at game management.

 

A team that’s consistently poor tactically, concedes way too many goals, misses way too many chances, has a midfield that is often non existent, looks tactically confused and regularly turns winning positions into losing or drawing ones.

 

We know this team can be a hell of a lot better than this, in their tactics, performance, their attitude. We know the manager can be a hell of a lot better than this. Our desire to try and win at all costs from 21-23 has totally vanished.

 

If Eddie is still here next season and we’re back to our best in the league with no European football. Then that’ll be the clearest sign to me that he’s an excellent domestic manager and it was simply the demands of Europe that stifled his ability to get this team playing the way we know they can this season. 
 

And if that’s the case the club probably need to make a call on whether to give him a 3rd crack at Europe (hopefully with a bigger squad and more quality) and see if he’s learnt from his 1st and 2nd experience, or risk another season of mediocrity on the pitch in 2 years time.

 

 

 

 

We're getting off into loads of tangents here - my point was if the whole league is playing like shit why are we expected to be the only team that isn't?

 

You can say what you want about not caring about the rest of the league but it doesn't make sense. It's like still being furious that we ever switched from playing 442. 

 

There's a wider point of which manager can you give the 8th highest budget to and expect to consistently deliver top 5 results. And take his best striker from him, put disruptive knackers in as DOF, we all know the list goes on re what he's had to deal with. 

 

Howe has earnt the right for us to stick with him until he gets it right imo, I'm almost certain if we chose to twist anytime soon we'd live to regret it.

 

I'm personally fine to accept one disjointed season to keep a manager we know is successful and leads us the way he does. Massive summer in terms of player trading though. 

 

 

Edited February 5 by Interpolic

[Displayname]

2 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

If you’re not concerned with how we’re playing, because the entire league is inconsistent, then that’s your prerogative. You’ve got your opinion, I’ve got mine. 

 

I see a team that isn’t demonstrating a desire to win at all costs and is appalling at game management.

 

A team that’s consistently poor tactically, concedes way too many goals, misses way too many chances, has a midfield that is often non existent, looks tactically confused and regularly turns winning positions into losing or drawing ones.

 

We know this team can be a hell of a lot better than this, in their tactics, performance, their attitude. We know the manager can be a hell of a lot better than this. Our desire to try and win at all costs from 21-23 has totally vanished.

 

If Eddie is still here next season and we’re back to our best in the league with no European football. Then that’ll be the clearest sign to me that he’s an excellent domestic manager and it was simply the demands of Europe that stifled his ability to get this team playing the way we know they can this season. 
 

And if that’s the case the club probably need to make a call on whether to give him a 3rd crack at Europe (hopefully with a bigger squad and more quality) and see if he’s learnt from his 1st and 2nd experience, or risk another season of mediocrity on the pitch in 2 years time.

 

 

 

Eddie taking us to the CL next season and then accepts an offer for the England job feels like the best case scenario for me atm.

 

I'm just not seeing any signs that he has learned how to cope with Europe, at all.

[bobbydazzla]

44 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

We're getting off into loads of tangents here - my point was if the whole league is playing like shit why are we expected to be the only team that isn't?

 

You can say what you want about not caring about the rest of the league but it doesn't make sense. It's like still being furious that we ever switched from playing 442. 

 

There's a wider point of which manager can you give the 8th highest budget to and expect to consistently deliver top 5 results. And take his best striker from him, put disruptive knackers in as DOF, we all know the list goes on re what he's had to deal with. 

 

Howe has earnt the right for us to stick with him until he gets it right imo, I'm almost certain if we chose to twist anytime soon we'd live to regret it.

 

I'm personally fine to accept one disjointed season to keep a manager we know is successful and leads us the way he does. Massive summer in terms of player trading though. 

 

 

 

 

It's as simple as this: Be the best version of NUFC we can be. And right now we aren't the best version of NUFC we can be and it's been that way most of the season. We look lost. This is not the Eddie Howe's Newcastle that we saw previously.

 

Looking at other teams and saying "but everyone's rubbish" isn't a valid excuse for us to have so many glaring issues in how we're approaching and playing games. Especially our lackadaisical attitude towards getting the basics right, tactical discipline and game management.

 

My belief is that mental and physical fatigue of players and staff, plus Eddie not having the time available to do his job the way he prefers to do it, are at the heart of the problem. We're just not capable of running a CL campaign, alongside aiming for Europe in the league, alongside 2 x cup runs.

 

And I'm not saying get shot of Eddie. But I'm also not saying stick with him unconditionally. At the moment I can't figure out if it's a one season blip or the start of a long term (multi season) problem. 

 

And fortunately, I don't have to decide whether to stick or twist. I'm just a punter with an opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 5 by bobbydazzla

[bobbydazzla]

5 minutes ago, Displayname said:

Eddie taking us to the CL next season and then accepts an offer for the England job feels like the best case scenario for me atm.

 

I'm just not seeing any signs that he has learned how to cope with Europe, at all.

 

I think he'd be bored out of his mind in the England job.

 

If his ultra-methodical control freak workaholic nature means he ultimately isn't able to become a manager who can successfully manage the demands of competing both in the CL and domestically, then I suspect the best home for him would be a club who would be happy to aim for trophies but aren't trying to break the cartel stranglehold and get an annual seat at the CL table.

 

And maybe that club is us and the stated PIF ambition is just unachievable in the PSR era.

 

[Slim]

1 hour ago, Geogaddi said:

It does look a complete mess at the minute but for me he has basically earned a free pass this season after what he has achieved the last few years. Give him the summer to sort it out which I think he will and we will be a different beast again next season, he has earned that.

Does it?

 

Champions league knockouts

Got to semi of the cup

6 points off champions league qualifiers 

Still on course for Europe.

New CEO still pushing the ambition 

Training ground nearly sorted. 

No Mike Ashley

 

 

[Kimbo]

How are we on course for Europe if we’re 11th?