Eddie Howe

[Anderson]

I've always been of the mindset that he gets this summer no matter what, but I think a clean break at end of season might be best for both now. Not just the result today, but I don't think this squad and Eddie work anymore. So much depended on Isak.

[KingArthur]

20 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

We are one of the biggest clubs playing in the best league in the World. We'd have some pull you'd think.

You would think so yes. 

[Andy]

3 minutes ago, astraguy said:

someone please do a post about the amount chelsea, Man city , Arsenal etc have spent and how many have been flops or what they've won please, compared to what howe has done with Bournemouth and our squad 

 

I mean two of those teams have won the champions league in the last five years, and the other is on course to win the league this year  aye they've wasted money in the process, but they have that luxury. 

 

Howe has done an incredible job, and did an incredible job at Bournemouth. There are better and more successful managers out there though and he isn't irreplaceable, it would be daft to suggest otherwise. 

 

His future here relies on reinventing himself a bit, and along with Wilson, identifying signings that actually suit what he wants to do on the pitch. There is a solid argument to be made that his tactics and style have been found out this season, arguably the league has caught up to the way we try to play and we haven't been able to sustain it either due to fatigue; the players we've brought in don't suit that style at all either, and we haven't successfully navigated changing things around to make up for it. 

 

As others have pointed out, it went stale for him at Bournemouth in a similar way and the comparisons are obvious to anyone who paid attention to his time there. The consequences for them were just more catastrophic as he didn't have the luxury of having the 7th most expensive squad in the league. 

[dcmk]

Pretty much every PL would be interested in Howe, and for good reason.  

 

[Milburn]

4 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

I guess we have two options this May.

 

1. Stick with Howe. Then allow him to assemble a squaud in his (and Wilson's?) mould. This needs to have severe surgery and get rid of likes of Pope, Burn, Trippier, Willock, Murphy, etc etc. And those players that want to leave, Tino, Tonali, Gordon, etc. 

 

2. Replace Howe with a new manager. Let him use the current players and get a tune out of them with new ideas, ways or training, etc. 

 

Its easier to do option 2 and it's difficult to trade players nobody else wants. 

If the owners and CEO actually mean all the ambition they’ve been talking about (and we don’t really know if it’s anything more than words), then there’s only one real option if we’re sitting bottom half of the table come May.

 

That’s option 2.

 

You don’t finish mid-table with this level of investment and respond by doubling down and giving the same manager even more control over squad building. That’s not how serious clubs operate.

 

Option 1 only makes sense if the ambition isn’t as high as advertised.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Anderson said:

I've always been of the mindset that he gets this summer no matter what, but I think a clean break at end of season might be best for both now. Not just the result today, but I don't think this squad and Eddie work anymore. So much depended on Isak.

 

I was so close to giving you a like there. Went downhill in the second half (insert joke here).

[astraguy]

1 minute ago, Andy said:

 

I mean two of those teams have won the champions league in the last five years, and the other is on course to win the league this year  aye they've wasted money in the process, but they have that luxury. 

 

Howe has done an incredible job, and did an incredible job at Bournemouth. There are better and more successful managers out there though and he isn't irreplaceable, it would be daft to suggest otherwise. 

 

His future here relies on reinventing himself a bit, and along with Wilson, identifying signings that actually suit what he wants to do on the pitch. There is a solid argument to be made that his tactics and style have been found out this season, arguably the league has caught up to the way we try to play and we haven't been able to sustain it either due to fatigue; the players we've brought in don't suit that style at all either, and we haven't successfully navigated changing things around to make up for it. 

 

As others have pointed out, it went stale for him at Bournemouth in a similar way and the comparisons are obvious to anyone who paid attention to his time there. The consequences for them were just more catastrophic as he didn't have the luxury of having the 7th most expensive squad in the league. 

should of ended it here tbh, That's the difference 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Milburn said:

If the owners and CEO actually mean all the ambition they’ve been talking about (and we don’t really know if it’s anything more than words), then there’s only one real option if we’re sitting bottom half of the table come May.

 

That’s option 2.

 

You don’t finish mid-table with this level of investment and respond by doubling down and giving the same manager even more control over squad building. That’s not how serious clubs operate.

 

Option 1 only makes sense if the ambition isn’t as high as advertised.

 

Only true if you believe Howe isn't capable of anything better than what we've seen this season. 

[andyc35i]

28 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Nagelsmann - could look to get back into club football 

Iraola - contract expires in the Summer 

Tuchel - contract expires in the Summer 

Glasner - leaving in the Summer 

Sebastian Hoeneß - statistically one of the best managers in Europe 

Conte - free agent and serial winner 

Simone Inzaghi - one of the top managers in Serie A

 

Wildcard 

 

Xavi - would be interesting to see what he can do with the team 

Mourinho - people will disagree with this one but a sentimental part of me wouldn’t be against this 

Touchel signed a new deal.

I’d be tempted to go for Iraola, but then it gets us in the same position of not dominating possession and being all action

[Andy84]

We’re a microcosm of a club. We’ve gone from a relegation club to a CL club, trophy lifting to having a banter  era all in the space of a few years.  I don’t know what to think, I still back the manager and I think we, as fans and the club need a break. End of season for a proper assessment 

 

 

Edited March 22 by Andy84

[Menace]

2 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Pretty much every PL would be interested in Howe, and for good reason.  

 

 

This just isn't true though is it

[Fak]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

 

This just isn't true though is it

Not reckon?

[astraguy]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

 

This just isn't true though is it

Oh I'd love this to play out,a non cheque book manger becoming a manager with funds doing beter then them

[Decky]

5 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Pretty much every PL would be interested in Howe, and for good reason.  

 

 

10 months ago maybe, definitely not now.

[Milburn]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Only true if you believe Howe isn't capable of anything better than what we've seen this season. 

Fair enough.

 

I just think this is more about cycles than ability. Managers often have a shelf life at clubs, and after a few years things naturally plateau.

 

That doesn’t mean Howe is a bad manager. Far from it. He could easily go somewhere else and be a huge success. Just look at Klopp. Things ran their course at Dortmund, but he went to Liverpool and built something special again.

 

My point is simply that it might be the end of this cycle at Newcastle, not the end of Howe as a top manager.

[wong989]

Its seemed obvious for more than a season now that intensity is our identity is not something a team can or should do all the time. We needed to get better technically, instead we bought overpriced physical players. We haven't brought in undervalued prospects with a view to challenging and technically improving the midfield for when one or more of the big 3 leave. No prospects to take a position on the wing when the right in particular is weak. How much of this is down to Ashworth being brought in to streamline U-21s,U-18s, scouting, recruitment, coaching recruitment, i don't know. I only know Howe has not been able to fix problems that have been present for a long time. We always lose the heads when pressed and cannot just make space. Our players are static, we create no confusion through movement. The link-up in midfield is dire, partly because the players just don't have the technique to play short passes at high speed while running. The lads can really only control the ball when standing still. Does anyone believe Howe is looking at this as a priority next year? I can't see it, was hoping for evolution the last couple of years, we've gone backwards.

[astraguy]

1 minute ago, Decky said:

 

10 months ago maybe, definitely not now.

fucking hell,no wonder we didn't win anything for decades

[500bhp]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Won't we have the players leaving with option 2 as well?

Possibly, but history suggests that Howe does not like wholesale changes and sticks to his favourites. Rightly or wrongly I get the impression he likes to keep a settled squad and we hold onto players too long. Almiron, Wilson, Pope, Murphy Burn, etc.

 

Remember when we got promoted under KK and he sold our top scorer Kelly who got 28 goals. That's the type of brutal management I want**.

 

**. I'm a heartless fucker when it comes to my team and have no emotions when it comes to players or managers. Howe was the right person at the right time but if he needs to go, he needs to go 😀

 

 

[JasMann]

1 minute ago, wong989 said:

Its seemed obvious for more than a season now that intensity is our identity is not something a team can or should do all the time. We needed to get better technically, instead we bought overpriced physical players. We haven't brought in undervalued prospects with a view to challenging and technically improving the midfield for when one or more of the big 3 leave. No prospects to take a position on the wing when the right in particular is weak. How much of this is down to Ashworth being brought in to streamline U-21s,U-18s, scouting, recruitment, coaching recruitment, i don't know. I only know Howe has not been able to fix problems that have been present for a long time. We always lose the heads when pressed and cannot just make space. Our players are static, we create no confusion through movement. The link-up in midfield is dire, partly because the players just don't have the technique to play short passes at high speed while running. The lads can really only control the ball when standing still. Does anyone believe Howe is looking at this as a priority next year? I can't see it, was hoping for evolution the last couple of years, we've gone backwards.

100 percent agree. The team needed to evolve and didn’t. We went for more physicality/running, then stopped pressing teams. Recipe for disaster. 

[Teslact]

1 minute ago, Milburn said:

Fair enough.

 

I just think this is more about cycles than ability. Managers often have a shelf life at clubs, and after a few years things naturally plateau.

 

That doesn’t mean Howe is a bad manager. Far from it. He could easily go somewhere else and be a huge success. Just look at Klopp. Things ran their course at Dortmund, but he went to Liverpool and built something special again.

 

My point is simply that it might be the end of this cycle at Newcastle, not the end of Howe as a top manager.

I think this is a good point, and since Wenger was brought up it is something he also suffered with. Once Mourinho came into the league, Wenger's titles dried up, but Ferguson continued to switch around his coaching team (who were the ones doing day to day training) and evolved enough to keep taking back the crown. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, 500bhp said:

Possibly, but history suggests that Howe does not like wholesale changes and sticks to his favourites. Rightly or wrongly I get the impression he likes to keep a settled squad and we hold onto players too long. Almiron, Wilson, Pope, Murphy Burn, etc.

 

Remember when we got promoted under KK and he sold our top scorer Kelly who got 28 goals. That's the type of brutal management I want**.

 

**. I'm a heartless fucker when it comes to my team and have no emotions when it comes to players or managers. Howe was the right person at the right time but if he needs to go, he needs to go 😀

 

 

We signed Botman to replace Burn, he got injuries. We signed Tonali straight away and booted Longstaff. We signed Tino to replace Trippier, he has been class but injured. We signed Elanga to replace Murphy, he's been shite. 

 

I don't buy this loyalty argument at all, there's just only so many players you can replace at one time. 

 

[Decky]

3 minutes ago, astraguy said:

fucking hell,no wonder we didn't win anything for decades

 

 Why because after this season I don't believe that nearly every club in the league would take Howe over what they currently have? 

 

 

Edited March 22 by Decky

[Pilko]

One clean sheet in 17 btw. You aren't going to do anything in league or cup with that record.

[toon25]

Anyone even remotely suggesting that an option to replace Eddie with miserable, busted flush, cunt Mourinho can do one 

[Fak]

Just now, Decky said:

 

 Why because after this season I don't believe that nearly every club in the league would take Howe over what they current have? 

 

I think if Howe left tomorrow his stock would remain exceptionally high