alexf Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: Nothing of what you've said there explains why we can no longer do the basics in defending. 1 clean sheet in the last 17 games. 3+ goals conceded in 6 of those 17 games. Why we can't hold onto a lead, or why we concede so many inury time goals. Nor does it explain why our midfield can't take a grip of a game by the scruff of its neck. Aye I get Isak set us back and his replacements are sub par but that doesn't explain a lot of the other parts of this shit show. That was in response to a discussion regarding how we spent so much more than teams above us. I was just trying to apply context to why we spend so much in comparison to some of them and why the scenario enable us to panic buy and overspend on crap. But if you're moving the conversation into other problems then absolutely the defense has been an absolute mess. There are some factors to consider. We didnt land a new goalkeeper we needed which meant playing a nick pope post injury who is a shadow of the pope we had previous years and Ramsdale who appears to be a downgrade on our previous back up Dubravka. Then you have not strengthening the depth at full back and CB sufficiently. Livramento and Hall have not played enough football together, especially when both at full fitness. Burn and Schar are getting old as fuck and Botman is just a walking sick note these days and his body is really failing him. Injuries to Bruno recently and Joelinton at times has definitely played a part in us losing our midfield steal we had previous and Tonali form also dropped off this year. But it's clear without the "training time" Eddie seems to have been incapable of coaching his side to defend better as a unit. That Barca implosion is one of the worst self inflicted defensive displays I have ever seen. I still back Eddie to get it right but it shows how important recruitment is. This summer I can't see how the fuck we navigate it and come out stronger. Which is why today is so depressing, it's not just losing to Sunderland again, it's the bleakness of our future Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: He's failing miserably on that score then. Is he? Been in the role like 6 months. Maybe give it a year before we reappoint the CEO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 7 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Of that lot I'd be interested to know how many of them are also in the CL? And of that how many made it to the League Cup semi final? And of that how many had to face 3 Premier League sides in a row in the FA Cup? He should have got rid of the FA Cup and league Cup that's the issue. If he wanted to compete in all competitons he should have signed more players. Could have signed a ton of decent players for 200+ million. It's just low IQ. I'd like to see him here next season but he needs an intervention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 6 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: But it's context. It's not to say we cant aspire to be better if teams are poorer, but an explanation of why we're experiencing some of the same problems so many others have. And how fine margins could make it all very different. Take singings for example. Has Mbuemo been good? Cunha. Sesko. Delap. Gyokeres. Wirtz. Kerkez. Madueke. Guessand. Sancho. Gittens. Dibling. Bobb. Kalimeundo. Simons. Tel. Kuolo Muani. Yet we're awful? Who are the PLs top performers? Semenyo. Rice. Bruno F. Harry Wilson. Thiago. Bruno G... Small pool. How are we that much worse than everyone else it means our manager is suddenly awful? Arsenal are awful to watch and uncreative af but they'll win the league. Saka, Martinelli, Gyokeres, Madueke etc have been poor. City havent been great despite hoovering up creative talent and theyre second. Villa have been poor but somehow 4th. Chelsea and Liverpool have been poor despite spending obscene amounts. Who would we take from Brighton, Brentford, Everton, Bournemouth? Dango Outtara went for 45m. Which other PL side has signed someone from "abroad" that has been a success? We have a sub par season and all of a sudden we're awful. It's batshit mental. Why are people so blinkered? I'm not saying our manager or team is suddenly awful, btw. There's big issues with both and mitigating factors with both, but an ultimate feeling that they could have been much better this year even with that context applied. You're right that there's been more indifferent or dud signings than good ones across the league. And, I understand the logic or the thinking behind every one of our buys, even if I was in favour of them individually or not. For example, at the time I thought Wissa would be a great addition. I also thought Elanga was incredibly underwhelming for the money. All that said, I still don't understand why with the same defensive unit as last season plus Thiaw we can't keep a clean sheet for toffee and routinely concede goals for fun, against a league that everyone agrees is struggling from an attacking perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, The Bonk said: Is he? Been in the role like 6 months. Maybe give it a year before we reappoint the CEO. Idk about anyone else but for me the ceos job is basically sign documents and make sure the football club is ticking. He's not going to have much if any input into the football side, it's not his area of expertise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 5 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Idk about anyone else but for me the ceos job is basically sign documents and make sure the football club is ticking. He's not going to have much if any input into the football side, it's not his area of expertise. I think it might be a tad more than signing documents but I agree, the football side shouldn't be his area of expertise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, McDog said: I think it might be a tad more than signing documents but I agree, the football side shouldn't be his area of expertise. Aye was being flippant. was more a reference to in terms of performance on the pitch we can't place too much blame on a CEO. He has to be accountable though so has to be ready to mark hard decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 24 minutes ago, The Bonk said: Is he? Been in the role like 6 months. Maybe give it a year before we reappoint the CEO. Another ticket price hike in that time. My mate has seen his and his bairns ticket cost almost double. Hasn't done anything to stop the illegal selling of tickets on 3rd party sites. I don't think he's offered anything to make the "fan experience" any better as of yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 13 minutes ago, Pilko said: I'm not saying our manager or team is suddenly awful, btw. There's big issues with both and mitigating factors with both, but an ultimate feeling that they could have been much better this year even with that context applied. You're right that there's been more indifferent or dud signings than good ones across the league. And, I understand the logic or the thinking behind every one of our buys, even if I was in favour of them individually or not. For example, at the time I thought Wissa would be a great addition. I also thought Elanga was incredibly underwhelming for the money. All that said, I still don't understand why with the same defensive unit as last season plus Thiaw we can't keep a clean sheet for toffee and routinely concede goals for fun, against a league that everyone agrees is struggling from an attacking perspective. Sorry, that wasnt really aimed at you, more the general sentiment from a lot of posters. And Im sure everyone agrees about our defensive incapabilities this season. Though it's not too different from Liverpool's and Man Utd's. And though we've been visibly poor in attack as well we've out scored Sunderland, Brighton, Fulham, Everton and Villa who are all above us. A few either way and things would be markedly different. All of that isnt to say we've not improved on last year in play or in personnel, which is what everyone hopes. We spent a decent amount in the summer which hasnt done what you'd expect. But giving players one season doesnt seem sensible to me. Next year Thiaw and Ramsey could well be even better and that'd be huge. Hell maybe even Elanga might repeat last season at Forest. Nick could click. Wissa, no. Which is mad because if he'd started this year as he played last we'd have been golden. And I'd have laughed the price tag off. I suppose I just dont get the short term absolutism generally on here with regards to Howe atm. And the lack of balance. I cant see myself supporting this club like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 12 hours ago, Menace said: Mitchell was a charlatan like - people shouldn't rewrite history. Ok what's his history? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilovetoon8788 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I shudder to think who he'd sign if he has the say, to replace Bruno and Tonali this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 13 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Eh? What he’s done before is evidence of being good isn’t it? It’s not like the people who want him out have deep and reasoned tactical analysis behind them No, people are actually giving reasons why they think Howe isn't good enough. But they're being met with "but he did well in the past". If you can argue someone's success in the past will lead to success in the future then great. But you need to argue that, not point to "credit in the bank". Seems like the only argument I see for Eddie Howe is loyalty.and/or nostalgia. I don't want to have to say that. I think he's a good and honest man who's done his best and cares about the club. He's been a big part of a huge improvement in the history of Newcastle United. But it's small time to put that ahead of improving the club. Edited March 23 by Teasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 hours ago, Mountain said: He should have got rid of the FA Cup and league Cup that's the issue. If he wanted to compete in all competitons he should have signed more players. Could have signed a ton of decent players for 200+ million. It's just low IQ. I'd like to see him here next season but he needs an intervention. I do agree with this and I've said before his desire to win every game in every competition is ultimately going to hurt him, even if it's a part of why I still fully back and respect him You can only do that if you have the squad for it and/or you get favourable cup draws (see Arsenal and City) Quite a few people have rightly raised the point about if we have a good season without Europe then what happens when we get back in Europe, as it will end up being like this one, so why stick with him? For me, we stick with him because we know about his capabilities and I would hope we have a better squad if we get back in Europe and maybe this season he will have learned that trying to win every game can end up backfiring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Teasy said: No, people are actually giving reasons why they think Howe isn't good enough. But they're being met with "but he did well in the past". If you can argue someone's success in the past will lead to success in the future then great. But you need to argue that, not point to "credit in the bank". Seems like the only argument I see for Eddie Howe is loyalty.and/or nostalgia. I don't want to have to say that. I think he's a good and honest man who's done his best and cares about the club. He's been a big part of a huge improvement in the history of Newcastle United. But it's small time to put that ahead of improving the club. That essentially is what people mean when they say credit in the bank, it's not just down to winning the cup because otherwise that credit doesn't ever really run out when you consider what an achievement it was for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Maybe it's because my life hasn't ended after losing to Sunderland again but who do the Eddie Out brigade want in? I mean he's run out of steam, managing a team that's shit, is what I've read 🤔 I'm not sure which "elite" manager they're getting a bone on for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 9 hours ago, The Prophet said: Have we struggled to open up low blocks this season or have we just been way too poor in both boxes? Both! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) I don’t know where the benchmark line should be, the Howe last few season or this season? I don’t think we can find a better manager that can lead this team to win the League Cup and qualify for ECL last season. I also think there are quite a lot of managers that wouldn’t make this season end up like this. Double by the Scums. That’s really a fucking low line. So I don’t know how to answer that question Edited March 23 by Zero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I don't want him gone but he deserves all the criticism etc for yesterday. I think he and the board need some brutally honest conversations at the end of the season going both ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 6 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: I don't want him gone but he deserves all the criticism etc for yesterday. I think he and the board need some brutally honest conversations at the end of the season going both ways. What kind of conversations do you want to take place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 44 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Maybe it's because my life hasn't ended after losing to Sunderland again but who do the Eddie Out brigade want in? I mean he's run out of steam, managing a team that's shit, is what I've read 🤔 I'm not sure which "elite" manager they're getting a bone on for? The "Howe In" brigade are being just as tone deaf like. It's not a mystery as to why people are fed up after being served shite for the good part of a year, being 12th in the league, losing twice to a newly promoted rival after spending a good £250m in the summer on utter shite. Managers have been sacked for far less, let's not pretend now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Wellness check for @Minhosa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Seen a bit of a narrative creeping in that we’ve always struggled against bottom half teams during his time here due to low blocks. Complete re-writing of history that, the opposite is true, one of our biggest strengths has been putting away these teams home and away. Reality is we’ve lost a cold killer up front and not replaced him, our attacking quality has dropped off so much and it needs sorted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 5 hours ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Take singings for example. Has Mbuemo been good? Cunha. Sesko. Sorry Branko, are you suggesting they haven't been good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Froggy said: Sorry Branko, are you suggesting they haven't been good? I was a bit surprised by that tbh. Sesko debatable, Mbeumo and Cunha both are fucking great this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Can we stop another thread becoming about Man Utd? It's starting to become annoying like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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