Eddie Howe

[Scottish Mag]

3 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

European football doesn't seem to have affected Villa, and they have a similar sized squad to ours. Could it be that Emery has developed a style of football that is more conducive to playing in multiple competitions?

 

 

That’s mixing two different things though. Villa in the Europa League isn’t the same as Villa in the Champions League.

When they were dealing with Champions League games their league form dipped as well, so it’s not as simple as just “style fixes it”.

[Kid Icarus]

30 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

But it isn’t.  Howe assembled an expensive squad and then - once again - completely and utterly failed at squad management.  He didn’t rotate when he should have.  And if he did want to prioritise that boring, bloated league phase of the CL then he should’ve been fielding reserves in the LC while we were in it.  
 

The whole ‘fatigue because of fixtures’ holds a lot more water if we didn’t look just as shit in August and September.   The line then was ‘Howe’s teams click, they need time’. 

 

They're all still the lines now, nothing is mutually exclusive. Presumably you missed out the 'we're in a transitional season' one by accident.

[Mountain]

Just now, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Gawd 

 

No excuse when you're millionaire with yellow teeth.

 

I don't like nose either or his soulless eyes.

 

Nuff said.

[SUPERTOON]

4 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

European football doesn't seem to have affected Villa, and they have a similar sized squad to ours. Could it be that Emery has developed a style of football that is more conducive to playing in multiple competitions?

When we talk about possession football, it's pretty obvious why all the top teams play it - they can manage the game, tire out the opposition and manage their own energy expenditure to prevent fatigue. There's a reason all of the elite managers play it. 
We, on the other hand, run around relentlessly, chase back constantly because we can't keep possession and end up fucking knackered, and injured.

A new manager doesn't have to prioritise one or the other if they play the right kind of football. In fact, Eddie doesn't have to prioritise one or the other if he realised what is staring all of us in the face, and changed his fucking philosophy. 

 

The champions league last season did impact Villa. They were around 11th/12th in January. Difference is they took advantage of the loan market, we seem reluctant to do so. That’s a different conversation though.

[Mattoon]

Pages and pages of wilful ignorance to point score and circle jerk over hand drawn pictures of Howe in a noose. Sigh.

 

Bring back wor Pards, thats what I say, halcyon days!

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

They're all still the lines now, nothing is mutually exclusive. Presumably you missed out the 'we're in a transitional season' one by accident.

‘Transitional season’ only works if there’s an obvious change of style that the players are getting used to.  It’s not the same as being shite. 

[Mountain]

12 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

Um ... think Eales tried this already and it didn't work.

 

 

Indeed, Mitchell believes there needs to be better balance between recruiting domestically and internationally.

 

Asked if the club had been too Premier League focussed in the market, Newcastle’s sporting director replied: “I wouldn’t say too much because we’ve signed players from other leagues at great cost but I think it’s normal for domestic clubs to look first domestically.

 

“I just think there probably needs to be more of a balance at looking externally and globally and looking that way and stretch our radius. It’s normal to look domestically. There just needs to be a better balance. But we have signed players from abroad. We have done that, it’s clear.

 

“Should we stretch our radius, look at where there’s under-valued pockets of talent, like the way I managed to do quite successfully at Monaco should we balance our strategy.”

 

Mitchell has a track record of signing excellent players for a low cost, including Son Heung-min at Tottenham Hotspur, Sadio Mane at Southampton and Christopher Nkunku at RB Leipzig - all signed for a reported £46million combined.

While Howe is expected to still get the final say on transfer, Mitchell has also hinted at putting his own processes in place for windows to come.

 

“I think that Eddie [Howe] has shown an ability to evolve over time,” Mitchell said. “Coming to Newcastle posed different challenges to Bournemouth and I think he’s very smart and knows that there needs to be evolution.

 

“I think that he’s smart enough to recognise there needs to be an evolution and every coach that I’ve worked with, in the end, just want good players. That’s simplistic but I think that Eddie just wants good players and it’s a collective responsibility between me and him to understand if there are other areas to look at to bring those good players to his team and be coached by him.”

 

Shit

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

2 minutes ago, Mountain said:

 

No excuse when you're millionaire with yellow teeth.

 

I don't like nose either or his soulless eyes.

 

Nuff said.

Could you post a picture of yourself for comparison please Brad ? 

[gbandit]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

‘Transitional season’ only works if there’s an obvious change of style that the players are getting used to.  It’s not the same as being shite. 

Got to say, the smugness and glee that I’ve seen from some of your posts and many others on the football forum recently has been extremely ugly. Made me feel ashamed of our fans 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

Pages and pages of wilful ignorance to point score and circle jerk over hand drawn pictures of Howe in a noose. Sigh.

 

Bring back wor Pards, thats what I say, halcyon days!

Pardew - the manager who - the season after finishing 5th and a poor summer of recruitment - got into the latter stages of a European competition but faced calls for the sack due to the team being absolutely dire in the league?

 

That one?

[Mountain]

Just now, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Could you post a picture of yourself for comparison please Brad ? 

 

 

How did you know my name is Brad? Scary!

[Wolfcastle]

3 hours ago, Ellis H said:

"Sir Bobby said:

"I can't stop the reaction of the crowd. They are what they are. We thanked the ones who stayed behind.

"But I have to remind one or two people that this club has played 28 times in Europe over the last two seasons. A few seem to have forgotten that. The expectation here is so high."

 

"Five of our big players did not play. All five would have played and you have to remember that. My policy has not been to talk about the injuries but we've lost first-team regulars."

 

"We'll need to have resolve and commitment to qualify for the Champions League now. My message to everyone is to get your head up and your chin up.

"There are still two games to play. In football you always have a chance and you have to believe that.".

 

If you know, you know. Some things never change.

 

 

The game in question precipitated a major decline in the club that we only recovered from post takeover. Anybody with concerns then was hardly proven wrong.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, gbandit said:

Got to say, the smugness and glee that I’ve seen from some of your posts and many others on the football forum recently has been extremely ugly. Made me feel ashamed of our fans 

There’s zero fucking glee at my end.  I’m not at all happy.  I feel equal shame in people trying to fucking gaslight people into thinking what they’re watching isn’t shit.

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Just now, Mountain said:

 

 

How did you know my name is Brad? Scary!

How did you know my name was Scary? Brad! 

[Kid Icarus]

11 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

European football doesn't seem to have affected Villa, and they have a similar sized squad to ours. Could it be that Emery has developed a style of football that is more conducive to playing in multiple competitions?

When we talk about possession football, it's pretty obvious why all the top teams play it - they can manage the game, tire out the opposition and manage their own energy expenditure to prevent fatigue. There's a reason all of the elite managers play it. 
We, on the other hand, run around relentlessly, chase back constantly because we can't keep possession and end up fucking knackered, and injured.

A new manager doesn't have to prioritise one or the other if they play the right kind of football. In fact, Eddie doesn't have to prioritise one or the other if he realised what is staring all of us in the face, and changed his fucking philosophy. 

 

 

Villa were mid-table until the very last run in at the end of the season last year. The CL affected their performances and their squad massively. Some Villa fans wanted Emery out.

 

The difference between them and us is that they bought/loaned loads of players in January. That was what galvanised them.

[Holmesy]

Just now, Scottish Mag said:

 

That’s mixing two different things though. Villa in the Europa League isn’t the same as Villa in the Champions League.

When they were dealing with Champions League games their league form dipped as well, so it’s not as simple as just “style fixes it”.

Dipped is different to completely fell off a cliff though.
They have played 2 fewer European games than us this season, and are 8 league places above us.

[huss9]

16 minutes ago, sixx said:

I expect our form to pick up since we’re playing once a week now and I expect us to be better defensively for the remaining matches. Schar, Bruno and Tonali being back should help massively.

 

If things don’t pick up for the remainder of the season that’s when I’ll be properly worried.

i honestly think its gone for this season.

the players and staff are broken.

the fans are done in.

even the senior players like BDB and Tripps look lost.

 

too many weak characters.

the only hope we have is to get Bruno and Schar back asap. Those two and Big Joe might just have enough left in them to scare the shit out of the rest of the lads and get a tune out of them. Hopefully Fab pins one or two up against the wall and demands performances.

even if Bruno knows he's leaving in the summer, i can't seeing him giving up on the rest of this season.

 

[Yorkie]

24 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Well not all of us are in the Craig Hope bubble. 
 

We went out and bought Germany’s starting striker who was being lined up as Kane’s heir at Bayern AND one of the top goal scorers in the Prem last year who scored nearly as much as Isak.
 

To claim he has no good strikers is factually incorrect. We have more fire power than most in the league. He just doesn’t have a clue how to use them. 

If Howe was a top class manager he would adapt his system to get the best out of them. But he can’t. That’s Howe’s fault not the board. 
 

Don’t get me wrong the window was a shambles and we did overpay but we ended up there or there abouts in the end. 

 

You're being very kind to Woltemade there like. Right now he's a so-so PL striker; he got on the end of a few chances early on but doesn't have the strength, pace or the instincts to make a meaningful contribution up front. That said, I remain really excited about what he might become - he was clearly never meant to be the main man this year.

 

I liked the Wissa signing; it made lots of sense and I was relieved when we got him. Sadly it's been a total disaster and he's been the opposite of everything that Brentford fans adored him for: impeccable fitness record, high work rate, dependable goalscorer. For us he was injured until December, doesn't work very hard, and doesn't score. 

 

We haven't had a good striker all season and it's absolutely a legitimate defence of Howe imo. (In fact it's a minor miracle that his faith in Gordon has paid off, not that he's getting any praise for that decision). And, going back to the original point I quoted, the Isak saga/sale has a lot of responsibility for that situation. 

[Kid Icarus]

13 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

‘Transitional season’ only works if there’s an obvious change of style that the players are getting used to.  It’s not the same as being shite. 

 

Transitional season just applies to any season that bridges one era to another (and is a bit of a write-off) when there's a big change, most commonly when there's a squad overhaul and/or a key player leaves. Nothing automatically to do with a style change and yes, it does have a lot to do with being shite, they tend to go hand in hand.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Kid Icarus

[Beren]

Pace yourself everyone. 20 days until the next match. 

[Scottish Mag]

8 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Dipped is different to completely fell off a cliff though.
They have played 2 fewer European games than us this season, and are 8 league places above us.

That’s still not really addressing the point though.  I’m not saying Villa dipped a bit or a lot, I’m saying Champions League football is a different level of intensity to Europa League.
 

Just comparing league position or saying they’ve played two fewer games doesn’t really account for that.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Transitional season just applies to any season that bridges one era to another (and is a bit of a write-off) when there's a big change, most commonly when there's a squad overhaul and/or a key player leaves. Nothing automatically to do with a style change and yes, it does have a lot to do with being shite, they tend to go hand in hand.

 

 

 

It’s honestly a bitter pill that I could take a lot easier if we were attempting to adapt to swapping out Isak for Woltemade - but we’re not even playing the lad up top.  If you could see the team’s structure being changed then I would absolutely think that the summer break would give the opportunity to perfect it.  But we just look like a lesser version of what went before.  I’m happy for more educated eyes than me to be more confident in the change to the approach. 

[Whitley mag]

8 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Got to say, the smugness and glee that I’ve seen from some of your posts and many others on the football forum recently has been extremely ugly. Made me feel ashamed of our fans 

People are angry and emotional. Who the fuck is feeling smug after yesterday.

 

We’re bottom half of the table, our local rivals have done the double and are above us in the league table.

Folk have a right to be pissed off with the manager and team, it was fucking gutless and embarrassing yesterday.

 

[BonesJones]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

What came first, the chicken or the egg.

 

The egg. 

 

Sorry. 

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s honestly a bitter pill that I could take a lot easier if we were attempting to adapt to swapping out Isak for Woltemade - but we’re not even playing the lad up top.  If you could see the team’s structure being changed then I would absolutely think that the summer break would give the opportunity to perfect it.  But we just look like a lesser version of what went before.  I’m happy for more educated eyes than me to be more confident in the change to the approach. 

Short memories with Woltemade again imo, I'd go back and read what everyone was saying about him when he was playing up top and how it needed to change because literally no one was in the box when our wingers got to the byline. His purple patch was unsustainable as well with something daft like 5 goals from 6 shots or something at one point.

 

Wissa should have been that plug and play option but as soon as he was injured it was going to be tough, then he's been shite ever since.

 

I'm confident Howe will get it right, there's far more evidence to suggest he will than the opposite imo.